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BBC Negative Vape Propaganda continues...

What we need is Manufacturers to stop being such greedy bastards.
The case with disposables in business is actually similar to all the other new type devices on the market that are widely available...

Disposables have actually been around for many years (I would estimate at least 10 years), but the first disposables were ciggielikes and under-powered, so nobody really wanted them (except maybe as a last resort), so probably weren't even stocked that much (too little demand), and certainly not on every street corner like they are now.

Then the new type disposables (what we have now) came along in the form of Geekbar and Elfbar (in the UK), and they really took off...
Then every vape manufacturer & their dog's cousin wanted to cash in on the disposable craze.

But the disposable market is dominated by just a few names, Crystal Bar, Elf Bar, and Lost Mary seem to be the main ones. This will probably gradually change (while disposables are still allowed) as Big Tobacco's versions of disposables gradually take over, as BT seem to control most of the main retail outlets in the form of convenience stores and newsagents.

This brief history of the disposable points to a common trend in many business models of the evolution of a certain product -
Product is created and sold.
Product becomes popular.
Product is copied by many different companies hoping to cash in on it.
Big business then vie for the highest market share in said product.

Whether that's "greed" or not, that's the nature of (most) business.
 
This is pretty much the only reason I slightly favour the Tories, they have been favourable towards e-cigs, leading the way worldwide.. but I don't know what they will do with disposables, or other changes to the vaping regs...

I remember someone saying pre brexit vote that people must vote leave to save vaping and someone responded that there are bigger things than vaping to consider - when casting your referendum vote.

I could never vote tory in any case, although the prospect of vaping getting a battering and a minimum alcohol unit price in England obviously does not fill me with glee, I have to consider "For the better good". The tories should be booted out and kept out for the next 20 years, psychos, heathens, thugs, vandals, chunts, all of them. When all the boomers have died (I'm one of the much younger skint ones mind), the tories will be done, but I'll probably be long gone before that happens.
 
I remember someone saying pre brexit vote that people must vote leave to save vaping and someone responded that there are bigger things than vaping to consider - when casting your referendum vote.

Not for me there isn't (bigger things than vaping to consider), unless it was extreme...
For general politics they are all around the centre these days anyway (except possibly Labour under Corbyn).

I voted leave (also for reason of autonomy, at least in principle), but haven't voted in a general or local election for over 30 years.
 
I remember someone saying pre brexit vote that people must vote leave to save vaping and someone responded that there are bigger things than vaping to consider - when casting your referendum vote.

I could never vote tory in any case, although the prospect of vaping getting a battering and a minimum alcohol unit price in England obviously does not fill me with glee, I have to consider "For the better good". The tories should be booted out and kept out for the next 20 years, psychos, heathens, thugs, vandals, chunts, all of them. When all the boomers have died (I'm one of the much younger skint ones mind), the tories will be done, but I'll probably be long gone before that happens.

the minimum alcohol price thing doesn’t make any odds except for folk drinking frosty lack and suchlike. there’s been a de facto minimum price for years anyway.

likewise, it could never be an option for me to vote for a tory. nye bevan was right about them.
 
I can't drink anymore so alcohol has no interest to me on the other hand Vaping does. If i owned a Vape Shop i wouldn't stock disposables, the sooner the Government deal with them the better as far as i am concerned, @Toby iVapour you have a vested interest in them being a vendor. i don't know if you stock them or not and if you do that's entirely up to you. Being a vendor is why your championing disposable vapes but if you weren't a vendor are you sure you would still be for them, i don't think so.
 
Being a vendor is why your championing disposable vapes but if you weren't a vendor are you sure you would still be for them, i don't think so.

Yes, being a vendor, I do have vested interests in them, and we do sell them (although I am certainly not championing them, like I've said, I do not like the concept, and have never used one myself, can't see the point when I use refillable vapes).
But if I wasn't a vendor, I still don't think they should be banned, as I don't see a good reason to ban them (and I'm not into banning things for the sake of it). And they do have their place, so maybe I should list those reasons...

Negative aspects first -
They are mostly not recycled - this has been covered much elsewhere, but greater awareness should be made and encouraged to recycle them, recycling schemes, maybe a deposit etc..
THINK OF THE KIDS - if disposables are banned then kids who want to vape will either use refillables or black market disposables, so wouldn't stop kids trying/using vapes.
And the black market illegal disposables being rife shouldn't be a reason to ban the legal ones.

Positive aspects -
For many, good for a night out kind of usage (what they were designed for). No need to risk losing your normal usage more expensive vape.
For those with disabilities who find it very difficult, or impossible, to refill or press a button.
Cheap try-me e-cig, for smokers who don't yet vape.
Cheap option for the occasional vaper.
Some people who are really only into using disposables (mostly due to lazy/convenience factor) could end up going back to smoking.

In the event of banning disposables, it also may open up opportunities for legislators to ban or restrict other vape products...
Beware what you wish for...
 
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Dumping disposables is a danger to the environment and selling them to children is also a terrible thing, Banning disposables or vaping as a whole is something i don't concern myself with as if it does happen there is nothing i can do about it. Disposables are giving vaping a bad rep which does bother me but still something i can't do anything about, If you did a vote on disposables, should they be banned or not i think the majority would vote for them being banned. I don't speak for everyone and this comes just from me. If disposables stay it won't affect me same as if they go. It's not a life changing thing, Someone will design something that will take disposable out of the news. Life will still go on no matter what happens.
 
For general politics they are all around the centre these days anyway

Since when? 2010, 2015, 2017, 2019? The Tories have destroyed/ are desroying this country, certainly England. I spoke to a couple of 22 yo (English) male friends the other day. One has just come back from Germany, he's intent on getting a job over there and being sponsored by the company he will work for, so he can get around the Brexit shit of living in the EU. The other one, he's got a Polish girlfriend, he's just came back from there, because his Grandparents are Irish he can get an Irish (EU) passport, so he's fucking off to live in Poland.
If you heard their accounts of times spent in those respective countries - they've looked into it all: housing, local services and amenities, public transport, price of food, drink, health provision and then hear what they think of and have experienced over here. Well....
 
THINK OF THE KIDS - if disposables are banned then kids who want to vape will either use refillables or black market disposables, so wouldn't stop kids trying/using vapes.

you must be aware though, that this was a relative rarity until the recent disposable boom. these devices actively appeal to youngsters. if they didn’t exist most of the youngsters who puff them wouldn’t vape.

Since when? 2010, 2015, 2017, 2019? The Tories have destroyed/ are desroying this country, certainly England. I spoke to a couple of 22 yo (English) male friends the other day. One has just come back from Germany, he's intent on getting a job over there and being sponsored by the company he will work for, so he can get around the Brexit shit of living in the EU. The other one, he's got a Polish girlfriend, he's just came back from there, because his Grandparents are Irish he can get an Irish (EU) passport, so he's fucking off to live in Poland.
If you heard their accounts of times spent in those respective countries - they've looked into it all: housing, local services and amenities, public transport, price of food, drink, health provision and then hear what they think of and have experienced over here. Well....

people that come out with this stuff are the reluctant tory voters. they justify it to themselves by saying all the parties are as bad as/corrupt as each other, all somewhere in the centre etc.

you and i know this is a load of daft shire, but then we aren’t voting for tories and having to delude ourselves that it’s okay to do so :)
 
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