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stacking batteries in vamo?

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hi guys
i just received a vamo v2 with 2x 18350 batteries, im currently using it with just 1 battery but i do have the extra tube so i can double stack them....im just wondering whats the benefit of doing so? will it give better/worse performance or is only to increase battery life?

thanks
 
Using a single battery, the vamo will be using a nominal voltage of 3.7 volts, which it then adjusts via a 'buck/boost' circuit, which adjusts the voltage drawn from the battery. If a voltage above that nominal 3.7 volts is needed, it draws power from the battery at an increased rate. If a voltage below the nominal 3.7 volts is needed, it draws power from the battery at a reduced rate.

The kind of battery you use can affect performance and IMR batteries are able to draw more power which is why they are usually recommended.

When you stack batteries, you aren't increasing the run time of the batteries by doubling it, you are increasing the nominal voltage by doubling it.. from 3.7 volts to 7.4 volts. This means that the Vamo (in most cases) doesn't have to stress the batteries by pulling extra power so much and can give a more powerful 'hit', particularly if using a high wattage/voltage setting combined with a high ohm atty/carto.

If you tend to use lower ohm atties/cartos, you may find better results using an 18650 battery, as this will have a longer run time than 2 stacked 18350s.. if you tend to use higher ohm atties/cartos, then the stacked 18350s might give you a better end result, but the run time of the batteries will be shorter.
 
thanks guys
great detailed reply thank you.

what exactly is nominal voltage...the amount the vamo takes from the battery?
i have a 2.6ohm coil at the moment so i may stack them and see if it works any better.

im currently using 1 battery at i think it was 4v and 6.5w. no idea if thats right or not lol i only got it today and have been using a non vv/vw battery up until now so never had to mess with volts before.

if i double stack what volts and watts you reccomend as a starting point?
 
thanks guys
great detailed reply thank you.

what exactly is nominal voltage...the amount the vamo takes from the battery?
i have a 2.6ohm coil at the moment so i may stack them and see if it works any better.

im currently using 1 battery at i think it was 4v and 6.5w. no idea if thats right or not lol i only got it today and have been using a non vv/vw battery up until now so never had to mess with volts before.

if i double stack what volts and watts you reccomend as a starting point?
The nominal voltage is the voltage at which the battery is designed to operate.

When you charge up a 'standard' lithium ion battery that most vaping devices use, it will come off the charger at roughly 4.2 volts. As you use the battery, this charge will dissipate and drop down to around 3.7 volts. The battery is designed to operate at 3.7 volts so for most of the battery's run time, it should be at or around this level ... it should drop relatively quickly from 4.2 volts when freshly charged and drop relatively quickly to around 3.2 volts at the end of it's run time. Most batteries have a built in circuit that prevent the battery from dropping below 3.2 volts because this is damaging to the battery.

A few words of caution.. lithium batteries can store a lot of energy and if they're mistreated or used in the wrong way, they CAN (please note, can.. not will) enter what is called thermal runaway and end up going bang. There are some simple things that you can do to make sure the likelihood of this happening is very remote.

ALWAYS use the appropriate charger for the batteries, that have built in charge regulation and charge cut offs (basically, this means that the charger will stop send energy to the battery once it is fully charged ... over charging batteries can cause thermal runaway).

ALWAYS keep any spare batteries in an appropriate, non conductive container so that they can't make contact with metal, to avoid them shorting out (which, again, can cause thermal runaway).

GENERALLY try not to rush the charging cycle of your batteries. A lot of chargers these days come with an option to select the rate at which the batteries get charged at (common rates are 0.25 amps, 0.50 amps and 1.0 amps). It's a good idea to select a charging rate that's proportionate to the battery dimension, with smaller batteries using a lower charging rate. A decent rough guide would be to use no higher than 0.25 for charging 14500 batteries, no higher than 0.50 for 18350s (like your batteries) and only use 1.0 for 18500s and 18650s. The reasoning behind this is because if you try to cram too much power into too small a battery, too quickly, then it can cause overheating and (yes, you guessed it) potential thermal runaway.

GENERALLY if you are going to use batteries in stacked mode, it's a good idea to keep them in 'matched pairs' and only use the same 2 batteries in conjunction with each other.. don't 'mix and match'. Stick to batteries of the same brand and capacity, charge them up together, store them together and use them together ... in effect you should try to think of the 2 batteries as a single unit. The reasoning behind this is that not all batteries are the same.. some will have slightly different capacities and as they reach the end of their run times, if 1 of the batteries only has 3.2 volts left in it while the other still has 3.7 volts in it, the 3.2 volt one will start to pull power from the one with 3.7 volts in it, which is something you want to avoid because it can lead to (are you getting fed up of reading the term thermal runaway yet?).

As batteries get used and recharged, they gradually degrade and their capacity will begin to diminish (this is normal). If you have just 2 batteries and you use just one of them in 'single' mode some of the time and leave the other one unused, the one that you use in single mode will end up having less capacity than the unused one and so if you then go on to use both those batteries together in 'stacked' mode, it can have a similar effect as using 2 different branded/capacity batteries.

AlLWAYS check your batteries before using them.. if you see damage (obvious dents, coatings damaged or peeling off etc.) then don't use them. Bite the bullet, put em in for recycling and use another battery (not forgetting that stacked pairs should be thought of a a single unit.. if one of em is knackered, it's safer to recycle then both or just use the undamaged one is single mode.. don't pair it with a new replacement that will have a different actual capacity).

There are probably other steps that other members here might want to add too if they feel I've missed anything.

All the above sounds quite scary, but don't worry.. I'm not trying to scare you. It's just best to be aware of the possible effects if you don't treat your batteries with a little respect. If it's any reassurance to you, I've been vaping about 3 years and the only time I've ever had a battery issue was when I caused a short on my device by screwing down an atomiser so far that it broke the insulator ring, so it was my fault, not the battery.

Just try to look after your batteries and use them as intended/advised and you should be fine.

Now that's out of the way... everyone has their own particular 'sweet spot' when it comes wattage and voltage, so what works well for someone else might not work so well for you. My own personal sweet spot is around 8-9 watts .. my own suggestion to you would be to use the vamo in wattage mode, try starting at 7 watts and adjust up or down as suits you best from there.

If you want to use voltage mode, you may find this ohm's law calculator handy : http://www.ohmslawcalculator.com/ohms_law_calculator.php if you input the voltage and the ohmage of your atty into the calculator, it will show how many watts that combination produces and also how many amps it would pull from the battery. If you have a play around with the calculator, using your 2.6 ohm atty as a base, you can see the effect that different voltages will have.

This all might sound a bit complicated and ott but don't worry, if a bimbo like me can pick it up, then anyone can. ;)




edit : Apparently, I need a spoolchucker.
 
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awesome thanks bud, i know a bit about battery safety as i used a mech mod too and i have a decent charger which has been checked and passed, all makes sense now i understand i cant adjust volts and watts together only 1 or the other lol, if i double stacked and used the watts.... according to calculator its like 50 watts? or am i doing it wrong lol i put around 8 volts in as the 2 batteries stacked is around 8 volts
 
awesome thanks bud, i know a bit about battery safety as i used a mech mod too and i have a decent charger which has been checked and passed, all makes sense now i understand i cant adjust volts and watts together only 1 or the other lol, if i double stacked and used the watts.... according to calculator its like 50 watts? or am i doing it wrong lol i put around 8 volts in as the 2 batteries stacked is around 8 volts

The vamo will regulate the nominal 7.4v nominal voltage to what ever you set it to, either in voltage or watts.

So, for example, if you set the vamo to output 4.8v it would take the 7.4v and step it down to 4.8v. If you put 4.8v into the calculator using the 2.6 ohm atty it comes out at 8.8 watts.

It's probably easier just to stick to wattage mode until you get used to using it.. it's pretty much set and forget that way (as soon as you find your sweet spot that is ;) )
 
Further to what steffijade said about matched pairs of batteries, as I understand it the recommendation is that you should label the batteries e.g. 1 and 2, first time around put 1 on top of 2 then after charging put 2 on top of 1 etc.

That should even out the wear and tear on the pair.
 
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