Total mix %'s - The latest trend

[The E-Cig Shop]

So, since the re-emergence of disposables lots of liquid producers have taken to making 'disposable e-liquid flavours', particularly as TPD juices. From what I've learned, the trick is using neotame as the sweetener and upping the total flavouring % to anything up to 35%! We don't sell disposies but we convert many people off them with various pod kits like the OXVA Xlim. Most likely due to the lower flash points we are finding people on these pod kits are commenting that our flavours now seem lacking so we intend to up the flavour % in our liquids to make up for this but before we start the arduous task of trialling various amounts I'd like to check if anyone has discovered any standard of meeting the new flavour needs for pod users?
If 15% to 20%'ish was a general rule for subohm is there a general for pod MTL yet?

 

[vapervince]

Are they increasing the flavour levels or just the sweetener? I recently bought my grandaughter a caliburn and asked what juice she would like, she offered me her grape flavour disposable and after just one toot I thought my teeth would squeak.
A short while ago I carried out some side by side tests sucralose versus stevia, more to reduce gunking, but one thing I found whilst trying to find the ideal levels (for my tastes) is that the perception of increased flavour as the sweetness was increased up to a certain level, and I`d mixed the juices from concentrates so I know that the batches were exactly the same.
In the past when I`ve tried to improve a juice by increasing flavour levels all I`ve got was spoiled juice and a scratchy throat, just my nine pennorth.

 

[Lee James 27]

@vapervince I agree with you and I’ve also learned that over-flavouring can cause muting and have the opposite effect.

 

[Gitchy]

It's an interesting thought. I'm with Lee and Vince above in that over flavouring can lead to a rotten juice. I think you have to be very careful increasing flavours, especially citrus and the like and I'm not sure that the disposable makers don't just fire a ton of sweetener and additives in to boost the base flavours. I know when I'm making juice for a mate then I'll pop in sweetener for them so they get what they're used to with shop bought juice but I'll not do that with my own as I hate the taste of over sweetened juice.

It's witchcraft I tell you.

 

[The E-Cig Shop]

Are they increasing the flavour levels or just the sweetener? I recently bought my grandaughter a caliburn and asked what juice she would like, she offered me her grape flavour disposable and after just one toot I thought my teeth would squeak.
A short while ago I carried out some side by side tests sucralose versus stevia, more to reduce gunking, but one thing I found whilst trying to find the ideal levels (for my tastes) is that the perception of increased flavour as the sweetness was increased up to a certain level, and I`d mixed the juices from concentrates so I know that the batches were exactly the same.
In the past when I`ve tried to improve a juice by increasing flavour levels all I`ve got was spoiled juice and a scratchy throat, just my nine pennorth.

From what I've found most, if not all disposa'like e-liquids use a neotame sweetener, it can be up to 13000 more sweet than sucralose and performs better under heat than most other sweeteners commonly used today, this apparantly was discovered after analysing the liquids in more popular disposables. From what I understand it's a combination of increasing the total flavour amount and using neotame sweeteners to create the dispoalike flavours. I like to think most of them contain so much cooling to cover up some of the unpleasantness from being over-flavoured.

 

[Digbys]

30-40% is norm.

Disposables have the benifit of the crappy internals only having to last as long as the equally crap battery

 

[The E-Cig Shop]

30-40% is norm.

Disposables have the benifit of the crappy internals only having to last as long as the equally crap battery

Thanks for confirming. We are considering launching a range of liquids made specifically for true pod users as our current amount of flavouring caps out at around 25% max and we feel non pod users might not get on with so much flavouring.

 

[Digbys]

thats fine, you dont want to go higher, pods do fine on normal mix ratios, the reason disposables are such a high % is that the coils are absolute dog muck and don't give flavour (unless its sky-high)

 

[ZT]

So, since the re-emergence of disposables lots of liquid producers have taken to making 'disposable e-liquid flavours', particularly as TPD juices. From what I've learned, the trick is using neotame as the sweetener and upping the total flavouring % to anything up to 35%! We don't sell disposies but we convert many people off them with various pod kits like the OXVA Xlim. Most likely due to the lower flash points we are finding people on these pod kits are commenting that our flavours now seem lacking so we intend to up the flavour % in our liquids to make up for this but before we start the arduous task of trialling various amounts I'd like to check if anyone has discovered any standard of meeting the new flavour needs for pod users?
If 15% to 20%'ish was a general rule for subohm is there a general for pod MTL yet?

I was talking to a flavour house yesterday - that thinks Neotame may actually be a problem … its a known irritant apparently.