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Unicorn Milk by Cuttwood contains TITANIUM DIOXIDE
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cant read thread as its been viewed to many times but..
t is a substance as old as the earth itself. It is one of the top fifty chemicals produced worldwide. It is a white, opaque and naturally- occurring mineral found in two main forms: rutile and anatase. Both forms contain pure titanium dioxide that is bound to impurities. Titanium dioxide is chemically processed to remove these impurities, leaving the pure, white pigment available for use. Titanium dioxide has a variety of uses, as it is odorless and absorbent. This mineral can be found in many products, ranging from paint to food to cosmetics. In cosmetics, it serves several purposes. It is a white pigment, an opacifier and a sunscreen
Many organizations and businesses have perpetuated this assessment of the carcinogenicity of titanium dioxide (ewg.org). However, several studies and study reviews have been used to compile the safety disclaimers for the regulations on the permitted use of titanium dioxide. One such study review took place in Rome, 1969 between the World Health Organization and the Food & Agriculture Organization of the United Nations. Cross species analyses were performed and reviewed for possible toxicity of titanium dioxide. The conference concluded that among the following species: rats, dogs, guinea pigs, rabbits, cats and human males, ingestion of titanium dioxide at varying diet percentages and over long periods of time did not cause absorption of this mineral. Titanium dioxide particulates were not detected in the blood, liver, kidney or urine and no adverse effects were noted from its ingestion. The U.S. Food & Drug Administration (2002) allows for its ingestion, external application including the eye area, and considers it a safe substance for public health. Other epidemiological studies showed that workers exposed to titanium dioxide exhibited no statistically significant relationship between such exposure with lung cancer and respiratory disease, although some cases of pulmonary fibrosis did occur. These studies were conducted in industrial settings where the increased exposure puts these individuals more at risk than the average person.
so not actually sure what the debate is on the link . im sure if we looked closely at alot of the concentrates out there you would find several ingredients within those concentrates similar to the above.
without being able to read whats on the link its hard to make any real comment other than post the facts about Titanium Dioxide
t is a substance as old as the earth itself. It is one of the top fifty chemicals produced worldwide. It is a white, opaque and naturally- occurring mineral found in two main forms: rutile and anatase. Both forms contain pure titanium dioxide that is bound to impurities. Titanium dioxide is chemically processed to remove these impurities, leaving the pure, white pigment available for use. Titanium dioxide has a variety of uses, as it is odorless and absorbent. This mineral can be found in many products, ranging from paint to food to cosmetics. In cosmetics, it serves several purposes. It is a white pigment, an opacifier and a sunscreen
Many organizations and businesses have perpetuated this assessment of the carcinogenicity of titanium dioxide (ewg.org). However, several studies and study reviews have been used to compile the safety disclaimers for the regulations on the permitted use of titanium dioxide. One such study review took place in Rome, 1969 between the World Health Organization and the Food & Agriculture Organization of the United Nations. Cross species analyses were performed and reviewed for possible toxicity of titanium dioxide. The conference concluded that among the following species: rats, dogs, guinea pigs, rabbits, cats and human males, ingestion of titanium dioxide at varying diet percentages and over long periods of time did not cause absorption of this mineral. Titanium dioxide particulates were not detected in the blood, liver, kidney or urine and no adverse effects were noted from its ingestion. The U.S. Food & Drug Administration (2002) allows for its ingestion, external application including the eye area, and considers it a safe substance for public health. Other epidemiological studies showed that workers exposed to titanium dioxide exhibited no statistically significant relationship between such exposure with lung cancer and respiratory disease, although some cases of pulmonary fibrosis did occur. These studies were conducted in industrial settings where the increased exposure puts these individuals more at risk than the average person.
so not actually sure what the debate is on the link . im sure if we looked closely at alot of the concentrates out there you would find several ingredients within those concentrates similar to the above.
without being able to read whats on the link its hard to make any real comment other than post the facts about Titanium Dioxide
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and forgot to add
When used as a food colouring, it has E number E171.
so theres a good chance its in one of the flavour enhancers ( such as a sweetener for instance) or one of the concentrates
It is one of the brightest whites known to man and used in Toothpastes and for coatings on pills and tablets .
also used in Skimmed milk and many other food stuffs as a whitening agent.
When used as a food colouring, it has E number E171.
so theres a good chance its in one of the flavour enhancers ( such as a sweetener for instance) or one of the concentrates
It is one of the brightest whites known to man and used in Toothpastes and for coatings on pills and tablets .
also used in Skimmed milk and many other food stuffs as a whitening agent.
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it's not used as a sweetener or an enhancer or anything else - it's an opaque white colouring agent.
no i meant that it could be used IN a sweetener. as part of the ingredient for instance to make the sweetener white in colour .
and the toxicity is actually listed as not available and MAY be toxic to lungs etc but theres no actual evidence.
further investigation reveals any level of toxicity to be in relation to Titanium Dioxide in dust/granule form of which it constitutes as nano particles which Could be carcenogenic but again no conclusive results.
like i say im sure if we dig deep enough into concentrates, enhancers and the like we will find various chemicals.
for instance ive just got some Stevia ( which is a natural plant extract ) and some Koolada ( which i have no clue what it is or whats actually in it ) and same can be said for the 20 plus flavour concentrates sitting on my desk.
no i meant that it could be used IN a sweetener. as part of the ingredient for instance to make the sweetener white in colour .
and the toxicity is actually listed as not available and MAY be toxic to lungs etc but theres no actual evidence.
further investigation reveals any level of toxicity to be in relation to Titanium Dioxide in dust/granule form of which it constitutes as nano particles which Could be carcenogenic but again no conclusive results.
like i say im sure if we dig deep enough into concentrates, enhancers and the like we will find various chemicals.
for instance ive just got some Stevia ( which is a natural plant extract ) and some Koolada ( which i have no clue what it is or whats actually in it ) and same can be said for the 20 plus flavour concentrates sitting on my desk.
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you can google any additive you have and find the MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheets) for that additive. It will tell you exactly what's in it and the chemical names for it - which you can further google if you want to.
Titanium dioxide carries a known health risk by inhalation, while being perfectly safe by ingestion. Same goes for diacetyl, and noone uses that either.
Stevia is a natural plant extract the chemical in it that makes it sweet is called steviol glycoside, that has been further refined into rebaudioside A which is approximately 300x sweeter than sugar (sucrose)
it has the big scary chemical name of "(4α)-13-[(2-O-β-D-glucopyranosyl-3-O-β-D*glucopyranosyl-β-D-glucopyranosyl)-oxy]kaur-6-en-8-oic acid β-D*glucopyranosyl ester"
Koolada is "N 2,3-Trimethyl-2-Isopropyl Butyramide" it was actually invented by Wilkinson Sword (the razor company) in the 1970s as part of research into cooling compounds that wouldn't irritate, like menthol and was known as WS-23 it's on the GRAS list and is approved for use in food flavourings, amongst other things.
the bottom line is really, noone has a clue about which flavourings are going to prove to be a heath issue in the long term, and noone can know for at least another decade. while the MSDS sheets do refer to the purer form of the chemical at the doses we inhale them via vaping the toxicology is going to be a lot less.
the problem with titanium dioxide is the nanoparticles. If you put them into liquid they don't dissolve, they are nano particles, they just swim around in the liquid and it looks opaque as they are far far too small to see individually, so vaping anything coloured with titanium dioxide will still expose you to the same nano particles. (albeit quite a lot less of them than a factory worker working in a factory that makes the stuff might be)
If a chemical is known to have a serious risk to health, especially respiratory health, then does it really need to be used at all? If the substance is a flavour then there might be other similar flavours that are better (see diacetyl and diketones) If the substance is a colour, then it doesn't need to be used at all.
By and large when you buy additives to put into stuff that are meant for industry (the food industry in this case) they don't get extra added colourings added to them. While you could well find such colourants in additives produced for general use, you might get colourings added to a packet of sweetener to make it look more like sugar for example. Your bottle of strawberry flavouring from Tesco could well have red colour in it too. That doesn't happen for additives designed for industry, when you order a sweetener you get a sweetener and nothing else.
Titanium dioxide carries a known health risk by inhalation, while being perfectly safe by ingestion. Same goes for diacetyl, and noone uses that either.
Stevia is a natural plant extract the chemical in it that makes it sweet is called steviol glycoside, that has been further refined into rebaudioside A which is approximately 300x sweeter than sugar (sucrose)
it has the big scary chemical name of "(4α)-13-[(2-O-β-D-glucopyranosyl-3-O-β-D*glucopyranosyl-β-D-glucopyranosyl)-oxy]kaur-6-en-8-oic acid β-D*glucopyranosyl ester"
Koolada is "N 2,3-Trimethyl-2-Isopropyl Butyramide" it was actually invented by Wilkinson Sword (the razor company) in the 1970s as part of research into cooling compounds that wouldn't irritate, like menthol and was known as WS-23 it's on the GRAS list and is approved for use in food flavourings, amongst other things.
the bottom line is really, noone has a clue about which flavourings are going to prove to be a heath issue in the long term, and noone can know for at least another decade. while the MSDS sheets do refer to the purer form of the chemical at the doses we inhale them via vaping the toxicology is going to be a lot less.
the problem with titanium dioxide is the nanoparticles. If you put them into liquid they don't dissolve, they are nano particles, they just swim around in the liquid and it looks opaque as they are far far too small to see individually, so vaping anything coloured with titanium dioxide will still expose you to the same nano particles. (albeit quite a lot less of them than a factory worker working in a factory that makes the stuff might be)
If a chemical is known to have a serious risk to health, especially respiratory health, then does it really need to be used at all? If the substance is a flavour then there might be other similar flavours that are better (see diacetyl and diketones) If the substance is a colour, then it doesn't need to be used at all.
By and large when you buy additives to put into stuff that are meant for industry (the food industry in this case) they don't get extra added colourings added to them. While you could well find such colourants in additives produced for general use, you might get colourings added to a packet of sweetener to make it look more like sugar for example. Your bottle of strawberry flavouring from Tesco could well have red colour in it too. That doesn't happen for additives designed for industry, when you order a sweetener you get a sweetener and nothing else.
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im sure if you dig deep enough pretty much everything we eat, inhale, ingest, digest etc etc has some chemical element in it thats in large amounts over a long period of time isnt good for you.
Pretty much any and all medicines these days have a list as long as your arm of possible side effects and what not. even the air we breathe when we step out of our door ( and indoors too ) is most likely full of "harmful" particles... i guess we just have to live life on the edge a little
as for flavour concentrates end of the day many have been around long before vaping in one form or anotehr and were never manufacturered for inhalation in a liquid suspension so i guess with something like titaniaum Dioxide its all down to asthetics more than anything else.
we taste with our eyes first and if it is used to give a flavour or a sweetener or something else an extra "zing" ( much like the same reason its used in toothpaste ) then i guess its not a big issue.
I do find it ironic the number of discussions about the minute chemicals and the like that may or may not be in elqiuids and could possibly be harmful to you when for most of us we spent half our lives pufffing away on a cigarette without a second though for the thousands upon thosuands of chemicals in it and never once considered investigating them down to the last molecule
yet ecigs and the liquids associated with them seem to be under far more scutiny not just from the EU, scientists etc but also from the day to day vaper.
Im not saying we should be ignorant but do feel that perspective has become a little skewed in comparison to past smoking habits.
Pretty much any and all medicines these days have a list as long as your arm of possible side effects and what not. even the air we breathe when we step out of our door ( and indoors too ) is most likely full of "harmful" particles... i guess we just have to live life on the edge a little
as for flavour concentrates end of the day many have been around long before vaping in one form or anotehr and were never manufacturered for inhalation in a liquid suspension so i guess with something like titaniaum Dioxide its all down to asthetics more than anything else.
we taste with our eyes first and if it is used to give a flavour or a sweetener or something else an extra "zing" ( much like the same reason its used in toothpaste ) then i guess its not a big issue.
I do find it ironic the number of discussions about the minute chemicals and the like that may or may not be in elqiuids and could possibly be harmful to you when for most of us we spent half our lives pufffing away on a cigarette without a second though for the thousands upon thosuands of chemicals in it and never once considered investigating them down to the last molecule
yet ecigs and the liquids associated with them seem to be under far more scutiny not just from the EU, scientists etc but also from the day to day vaper.
Im not saying we should be ignorant but do feel that perspective has become a little skewed in comparison to past smoking habits.
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As far as eating with your eyes - yes, I agree. This juice caused a stir cos it looked like milk. There have been other wildly popular juices that have also become so popular because of their colour. The most notable being Pluid. which imo is an average aniseed juice which owes a large part of it's appeal due to it being bright green, it was also way way different to everything else that was around at the time.
The thing is that I expect that commercial juice makers would do their homework on the things they put into their liquids before selling them to the public. There is sufficient evidence to suggest TiO2 can cause lung cancer, certainly enough to warrant avoiding it's use as a colourant in products designed to be inhaled.
While yes we all used to inhale tobacco smoke with it's 4000 known (and god knows how many unknown) chemicals in it, and while some people do overcompensate , by and large most people vape in order to stop smoking.
Smoking carries a 50/50 risk of death by smoking related disease in the long term. Flip a coin, heads you win, tails you die a slow and painful death. Those aren't great odds. Isn't it better to avoid the things we're pretty sure are bad and to try to make vaping as safe as possible? I'd prefer not to have to flip that coin. It's likely that some of the ingredients we do use that we presently know little about will turn out to be harmful. I think that we take enough of a gamble on those without adding more.
Dr Farasalinos is conducting a study right now on e-liquid ingredients in an effort to make them safer, we don't use diacetyl because we know it has long term risks, we probably shouldn't use TiO2 for the same reason. We're still getting hamered by Public Health zealots who reference the 2009 FDA study that found di-ethylene glycol in one of the cartos they tested saying that e-liquid is anti-freeze. the same study found traces of tobacco specific nitrosiamines and we have the same people beating us over the head for e-cig vapour containing 'toxins' in their efforst to ban them. How much more ammunition would we give those people if we used substances with a known health risk attached - and how more responsible does the vaping industry look for quickly addressing those types of concerns?
Personally I don't use any colourings in any of the juice I make, maybe if I made my upcoming menthol blend glow in the dark bright blue it would sell more but I'd rather not.
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oh dont get me wrong i fully understand that even the slightest thing for them to jump on the beat ecigs into the ground bandwagin isnt good. but they also have to take a realistic approach to. ( consider an asthma inhaler or a nasal spray ) and the ingredients in those which could be deemed as if taken in enough quantities harmful. the same could sbe then said for wicking material ( silica is after all made of glass! ) and cotton wool fibres. or the chemicals that may or may not come up a piece of superheated Kanthal wire.
the truth is we dont know the long term effects of any of these. but on the other side of the coin it would be foolish to dismiss them based on what if's and maybes and thats excatly what the EU is trying to do.
the oh it might be bad for you cos it might contain a trace of some chemical or other that 267 years ago made and old man cough and shit hes pants so have a nice ciggies instead cos though its bad for you at least we know what the bad is!
and thats the exact kind of crap we have to deal with..
the EU motto.. "better the devil you know " methinks
the truth is we dont know the long term effects of any of these. but on the other side of the coin it would be foolish to dismiss them based on what if's and maybes and thats excatly what the EU is trying to do.
the oh it might be bad for you cos it might contain a trace of some chemical or other that 267 years ago made and old man cough and shit hes pants so have a nice ciggies instead cos though its bad for you at least we know what the bad is!
and thats the exact kind of crap we have to deal with..
the EU motto.. "better the devil you know " methinks
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