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Chris Choi: Blog on ITV News re ecigs

The actual written bit seems quite ambiguous, seems like someone is trying to hedge their bets to me :)
 
I'm going to have to stop clicking links nearly crushed my phone in frustration
 
Yes it does seem very fence sittingish, but its still going to be great to hear both sides of the story for change
 
Here we go again....Can anybody tell me what the "TOXINS" in e-juice are ??

As far as I can see there's only three ingredients in juice...
1/ VG which is vegetable glycerine
Glycerol (or glycerine, glycerin) is a simple polyol (sugar alcohol) compound. It is a colorless, odorless, viscous liquid that is widely used in pharmaceutical formulations. Glycerol has three hydroxyl groups that are responsible for its solubility in water and its hygroscopic nature. The glycerol backbone is central to all lipids known as triglycerides. Glycerol is sweet-tasting and of low toxicity.

2/ PG
Propylene glycol
Propylene glycol is considered generally recognized as safe by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, and it is used as an humectant (E1520), solvent, and preservative in food and for tobacco products, as well as being one of the major ingredients of the "e-liquid" used in electronic cigarettes along with vegetable glycerin. It is also used in pharmaceutical and personal care productsin general, glycols are non-corrosive, and have very low volatility and very low toxicity.

3/ Flavouants

Usually food/pharmaceutical grade organic or chemical flavourants which have already been tested and passed as safe for human consumption....


There "may" be some water ?? or/and some alcohol to help dilute the PG/VG mix to a thinner consistency to help with the vapourising, but that's all there is.......Now If I can find out this information in a few minutes of searching on the internet, Why are the Scientists Prevaricating and complaining that there needs to be more research....Probably to keep themselves in a job which is no doubt being funded by the tobacco and pharmacological companies who pay them to get the results that they want/need to keep their monopoly.......

Rant over.....Ohh I feel so much better for that....
 
I missed the morning attack on e-cigs(I'm guessing that This Morning/Breakfast won't have been kind to vaping)as I fell asleep waiting for it being on,I have the Tonight prog set to record though & I fully expect that e-cigs will once again end up being slaughtered as those medical professionals/organisations/politicians/jobsworths with the power to influence the general public,simply refuse to accept that they could be safer than tobacco as THEY weren't consulted in the massive take-up of these devices.All we'll hear is the ridiculous old study on e-cigs that found nasties in the e-liquids tested,which came from China....& we all know not to buy juice from China as home-produced juices are so much nicer? I'm going to stop typing before I explode and punch a hole in my monitor in frustration!
 
Actually Katherine from ECITA interviewed well and gave as good as she got sat on the sofa with wooden mod and carto tank.

Yes we will have the WHO etc but at least we ought to be able to rely on at least some of our views getting across. Which is better than no coverage at all

And we can all look forward to Chris Choi appearing on VTTV afterwards....
 
3/ Flavouants

Usually food/pharmaceutical grade organic or chemical flavourants which have already been tested and passed as safe for human consumption....

There are no pharmaceutical grade flavourings, at least none that I'm aware of. Organic and Pharma grade in the same sentence is 'tricky' Pharma grade means extremely pure, usually as the result of extensive processing, whereas organic means 'grown as nature intended, without chemical fertilisers/pesticides.'

Out of all the ingredients used in e-liquids this is where the health problems, if any, will come from. None of the flavours used have been tested for inhalation use for any long term period. We just don't know what longer term health problems inhaling lots of these flavours might do. We do know already that some compounds, like diacetyl, are perfectly safe when eaten, but cause lung disease when inhaled lots over a longer time period (popcorn lung) Any compound that proves to be harmful, like diacetyl, is quickly removed from use.

While flavours and aromas have been used for a long time in aromatherapy, and you undoubtedly inhale some flavours when you eat, or while you prepare food the volume of flavourings taken into the lungs is much higher when vaping than from other methods.

There *does* need to be more research. We are presently very confident that in the short to medium term there is no health issue at all from vaping. None. We don't know about the longer term (10-20 years) and we can't know for at least another decade, vapings just not been around that long.

Worst case scenario and some health issues do come to light in the longer term then it's 99.99% certain that you could vape unflavoured e-liquids without any health issues as the results of inhaling PG/VG and nicotine over the longer term are better known.


All that said the regulators ought to be taking the view that until such time as a major health problem does come to light, then these products can be sold on the open market as they are now. If we have to wait another decade to get all the science done then a LOT of people are going to die from preventable smoking related diseases while they all argue the toss about 'making sure it's safe'

We know for sure it's a about a hundred times safer than smoking tobacco, that should really be the only consideration if the products on the market are marketed to smokers/ex smokers.
 
So, he say`s they know a lot of the toxins that are consumed with an Ecig have not been adequately researched. Well if that`s the case how the fuck do they know it contains toxins. And why do they not tell us what exactly these toxins are if their so fucking clever?
 
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