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In this article from France as no consensus was reached yesterday the new compromise will be dealt with on the 16th. If still no compromise isvreached then, here's the good bit, article 18 referring to ecigs only will be pulled so the other amendments can go through.

Anyway, here's the link, ran it through Google translate for those not affluent in french
http://translate.googleusercontent....onique&usg=ALkJrhibKGOs9lZwshfTyKbiapL0zZtXnQ

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Removing e-cigs from the TPD sounds like a common sense solution to me.. they should never have been lumped in with tobacco cigarettes in the first place.
 
Not by a long shot, but as predicted, or predictably predictable they couldn't agree on a final draft this has bought us 2 more weeks to protest harder, get our point of view across and be heard.

I also don't expect an agreement to be met on 16th, too many meps are on the fence, as many are hardcore antivapers with prob a hand in tobacconist pockets and as many are free thinkers and want no regulation at all until medical testing evidence has come through.

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big pharma has always been playing the propaganda corner, nicorette own 37% of the NRT market share, they stand to lose alot (37% is roughly $400million per year) what i dont understand is with all their money and power why they are so against this product. With all their power they could easily corner the market in a week securing patents on all common products and mass producing and marketing ecigs alongside the other NRT products.

Anyhoo, thanks for the link, and tbh, its not all that bad. a 12mg limit wouldnt be fatal to the industry unlike the proposed 5mg limit, it would be restrictive but not fatal.
 
big pharma has always been playing the propaganda corner, nicorette own 37% of the NRT market share, they stand to lose alot (37% is roughly $400million per year) what i dont understand is with all their money and power why they are so against this product. With all their power they could easily corner the market in a week securing patents on all common products and mass producing and marketing ecigs alongside the other NRT products.

To a big P company $400m is pocket change.

Nicorette is owned by Johnson & Johnson who had revenues in 2012 of $65billion. Which puts it's total income from Nicorette at 0.6% of total revenue.

in contrast varenicline (Chantix/Champix) has similar sales figues (2009 some $150million) that's owned by Pfizer. Pfizer made a touch under $59billion in 2012 and to date varenicline has cost them a LOT in settled lawsuits. There are a lot of reports of deaths associated with that drug, which was launched around the same time as e-cigs emerged onto the market. To date there is not one single reported case of death by overdose/poisoning from normal use of e-cigarettes. There has been 1 tragic case of poisoning by accidental overdose and quite a few reported fires caused by battery issues.

the money big P stands to lose is in the treatment of smoking related disease. In the longer term of course people are still going to get sick and die from disease, so ultimately the big pharmaceutical companies aren't really going to lose any money, but treating smoking related disease is the 'low hanging fruit' kind of easy money, it costs in the US about ~$125k per case to treat an average cancer and lung cancer is by far the most prevalent (most of that is caused by smoking tobacco) [linky]

Also a 12mg limit would be as good as fatal. the most popular strength we sell is 18mg/ml we have some customers that prefer 36mg/ml and a lot that prefer 24mg/ml - it's important to not too that when people first switch to e-cigs usually tehy are using a cig-alike or an fixed voltage ego with a crap (too high ohm) clearomiser. Because of the limitations of the nicotine delivery inherent in those kinds of setups the new vaper often needs to use a higher strength liquid to compensate, otherwise ecigs don't work for them and they end up smoking again. Whoever wrote that press release knows that. the less effective at attracting new smokers vaping is the more 'easy money' the Pharma companies lock into their profits (and the more smokers die from their smoking related diseases)
 
There is a high chance the figure I used, 400, is wrong I was reporting from memory so apologies and will see if I can find the article I was reading again and update.

And yes I agree 12 is still too low, but Atleast it's a step up and move in the right direction. A sign of weakness if you like that they know the proposed restrictions are too harsh and will never win with them.
We now know again what is going to be argued on the agenda and need to get back in touch with the meps to counter this "Intel"
Personally the nic content wasn't the worst thing in article 18, out of everything the biggest problem is the push towards restricting it to sealed containers, ie cartos. That is what I am writing in protest against as point 1.

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12 mg would suck,cartos would suck,why can't they just accept they know sfa & just add an age restriction?
 
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