MVP and/or clearomisers drinking juice by the gallon.

[KarachiKid]

Hi everyone,

I am really new to this and have been off smelly cigs for a week today (hurray!). Yesterday, my first big mod arrived, an Innokin iTaste MVP V2 (with 2x iClear 16 clearomisers) and a separate Vivi Nova (2ml) clearo.
Before today I was using both a Liberty Flights starter kit with a 1.8ml clearo at 650mAh and a eCig Wizard starter kit, again with a 1.8ml clearo but a 900mAh battery. I also bought what a big 3.5ml clearo from a market stall.
Using various different juices, usually at around a 80/20 PG/VG mix, I'd get through 1.8mls in about a day. However, since my MVP arrived, I can easily knock 0.5mls out in a single smoke break.
I usually go out for a quick blast every hour or so at home and every two hours average at work. Nothing's changed with the frequency of which I vape, so I'm guessing that it's something to do with the equipment making such a big difference.
Futhermore, when the MVP and stuff arrived yesterday, I filled one of the iClears up with the juice which I purchased at the same time. I had a quick blast, didn't like the taste and so rather than empty it and clean it etc, I filled up the Vivi with something else and have been using that since. When I came home today, I noticed the juice in the iClear has all soaked up into the wicks (see the picture). There's no leakages and I haven't emptied it. Honestly, this was filled nearly all the way 24 hours ago and I haven't used it since.

The settings I am using on the MVP are 4.4V and 7.5W. I am using the default innards of the Vivi Nova which came inside the box (I think I read that this is 2.4Ohms) and I am loving the vape. But at several times the cost in juice which I will be paying for if this goes on, I really don't think that it's worth it.

Can anyone please explain this phenomenon? If it was twice as much, I'd just put it down to the equipment and tell myself that you pay for quality. I would estimate that this is in the region of around 8 - 10 times as much juice is being consumed. And there's also the iClear sucking up 1.6ml of juice over 24hrs with no help from anyone but mother nature.

Sorry if there's something blatantly obvious which I am missing. I am new to this and my knowledge with electrical equipment doesn't really stem much further than PC hardware.

Many thanks!

 

[Trungo]

Hi.
The MVP is a nice bit of kit, hoping the wife has got me one for Christmas.
I believe I'm correct in saying that you can only use either vv mode or vw mode at a time. If using vw mode the device will sort out the voltage itself (that's how I understand it anyway).
When you first fill up your clearo you need to leave it for about 30 mins before using.
I use the iclear 30 which iirc uses the same heads. As there are 16 wicks they will soak up a ml or two of juice on first fill.

As for juice consumption I found that went up by a little when I switched from my vgo2 to my SVD. Personally I'd say this is to be expected as you're producing more vapour and a better vape.
Maybe you should try a higher nic strength which may reduce your need to use it so much.
Stick with it, even if it costs you the same or more than smoking your body and lungs will thank you for it in the end.

 

[tpw]

I found that when I started to use a better qualitiy clearo's the juice consumption increased a fair bit but it's a far better vape.
I've been using a mini PT2 since yesterday and loving it

 

[Vern]

I cant explain your phenomena. There isnt enough info to be able to say yay or nay because the sums dont add up. I'll just say...0.5ml/smoke break...20 smoke breaks a day=10ml. thats about double what a usual person uses, but lets run with it...
10ml are between £1.99 (£1 even at some places) and say...£4.99 for "good stuff"
thats still more economical than smoking.

now, going back to your increased consumption. You are putting more heat into the coil us using 7.5w or 4.4v..whatever...because your egos are around 3.7v and go down from there...which is about 5.5w and dropping.

So give yourself some data to work on. set your vw device to 5.5w and use it for a day...still 0.5ml/smoke break? or less?
and fromt hat data, decide if it is worth £1.99/day

many of us mix our own stuff too for less than that, so at least you have options now. You mention you are loving the vape on your vw device, so it *must* be different to your ego's, and that *something* has to be worth an amount to you.

 

[Chegs]

I used to use 1.5/2 ml per day in clearo's,got a Vamo & genesis atty & with a tasteless juice,was drowning in 120 ml per week.I got a mixing kit yesterday,made a 10 ml bottle of same strength as the pre-made & only used 2 mill in 30 hours.

 

[steffijade]

If your ego battery was a pulse width modulated version, it's likely the voltage output was regulated to around 3.3 volts. If you're using a 2.4 ohm coil, that would give a power output of around 4.5 watts.

You say you're using the MVP at 7.5 watts which means the coil will be hotter whilst using the MVP and thus, producing more vapour and using more juice.

When I got my MVP kit, the clearomiser that came with was a dual coil.. were yours dual coils too? Dual coils (as the name suggests) use 2 coils and as such, they use more juice.

Also, the clearo wicks soaking up the liquid isn't a bad thing, it's just capillary action and shows that the wicks are actually working. The liquid hasn't disappeared, it's soaked into the wicks and is ready to be heated by the coil and turned into vapour... which is a good thing. You want the wicks to absorb the liquid well so that you get a decent vape, if the liquid is just sat in the tank and not being absorbed by the wicks you'll end up getting 'dry hits' which aren't pleasant.

Basically, the higher wattage (power going through the coil to heat it) that you use, the more liquid you'll go through and if you use a clearo with multiple wicks, more of the juice will be held in the wicks rather than being sat in the tank.

If you're concerned about the cost of the eliquid you're using per day, you could try mixing your own? Often works out cheaper and you can fine tune/tweak mixes to your own personal preference.

 

[MrPT]

lets break for comparison:
(old) Ego battery 3.7v with ego ce4 single wick single coil probably at 2.4ohm so 5.7w
(old)wizard as above

(new) MVP vv @4.4v with 2.4ohm using viv nova 2ml, going to assume its the v9 kit which is 6wick dual coil (4.4v 2.4ohm is 8w)

So immediately we can see massive differences to start explaining the increased juice abuse.
5.7w(old) < 8w(new) thats 70%more power output which is very significant to vaper output (providing good wicking) and juice abuse
1 wick(old) < 6 wicks (new) thats providing a huge amount of juice directly to the coils, giving thicker better flavoured vaper at expense of juice use
single coil(old) < dual coil(new) thats an obvious difference

Now that explains, or starts to help explain the increase in juice use. The second factor is how long you been vaping. A week is very significant (well done) immediately after giving up smoking your lungs will of started to repair themselves, you will begin to be able to breathe clearer and deeper again, so, without probably realising it yet you will be gradually be taking bigger and stronger pulls, drawing more juice to the coils and increasing the juice abuse. When i started vaping i could barely manage a 3second pull, now the 10second timer on the vamo annoys me sometimes.
So, for now, as a new vaper dont concern yourself with how much you are using, the important thing right now is making sure you dont want to go back to the nasties.

Now the other tank, thats a bit more interesting. you sure no-one "borrowed" it to try? If not, then i would go for a leak. Most nic juices i have used leave very little residue behind once its leaked and dried so its possible after 24hours it wasnt visible. To test for leaks fill it up with water(thinnest liquid) then ensure its totally 100% dry on the outside then set it aside again for 24hours on a piece of paper towel. Leaking really is the only logical explanation, or aliens

 

[KarachiKid]

Hi all,

Thanks for all the replies. The voltage and wattage thing is difficult for me to get my head around (I'm not even sure of the difference), but in my head I've came to the conclusion that the 650mAh batteries are like a Smart Fourtwo and the MVP is like an 6L muscle car. Does that work?
I've lowered the power of the MVP down and it's using less juice, as you'd expect. I'm keeping the wee 650mAh as a backup in case anything goes pear-shaped.
I'll probably do some noting down of figures over the weekend, using the draw counter. By then I might be able to give you some more accurate details if I'm not happy.

Thanks again for the input though, everyone. It's eased my conscience. Now to find some good juices.

 

[MrPT]

Hi all,

Thanks for all the replies. The voltage and wattage thing is difficult for me to get my head around (I'm not even sure of the difference), but in my head I've came to the conclusion that the 650mAh batteries are like a Smart Fourtwo and the MVP is like an 6L muscle car. Does that work?
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lol sort of.
Will try and explain wattage voltage a little.

If you use a static voltage device like the 650 then the biggest factor is the ohms resistance of the atomiser you use, most commonly 1.8, 2.1 or 2.5. The lower the resistance the better the flavour the higher the better the vapor production.
With a variable voltage device the ohms become slightly less significant as you can lower the voltage down or increase flavor or increase it to produce more vapor, but risk burning the juice or drywicking.
Variable wattage pretty much completely nullifies the ohm's of an atomiser by following ohms law measuring the resistance of the atomiser then automatically adjusting the voltage to give the wattage output.

There really isnt any significant difference in variable voltage or wattage both give the ability to finetune your vape experience.

btw for reference ohms law is volts²/ohms(resistance of device)=watts

Just remembered this thread on the forum:
http://www.planetofthevapes.co.uk/forums/showthread.php/6623-mg-per-ml-to-cigs-calc
may be interesting for you to take a look at and settle your concerns over how many you are effectively smoking now

 

[KarachiKid]

Thanks MrPT (sorry for the late response. I've got the lergy so I've been away for a few days).
What you've said makes sense. I've had this MVP now for a few weeks, and I am just not getting on with it. It's either a really dull taste, or tastes like burning. I've tried with a Vivi Nova, iClear 16s, the ones which came with my starter kits and the 3ml one which I bought separately. The starter kit batteries give me such a better experience. I'm still really new to this and I am definitely not doing something right.