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New rules 1/10/15 Smoking, cars and ecigs: A Positive?

Mark

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Posted elsewhere but in case you weren't aware new rules come into force 1st October 2015. To read more see the link at the bottom.

The rules ban the sale of ecigs/eliquids to under 18's and make it an offence for an adult to buy (or attempt to buy) such items for someone under 18. Nothing too controversial there. Though personally I would be happy to purchase an ecig kit for a minor to get him/her off smoking. Pretty damn near unenforceable bit of legislation right there.

The rules also ban smoking in private vehicles when it is carrying a person under 18. THE RULES DO NOT APPLY TO ELECTRONIC CIGARETTES which may mean a bit of a headache for the police unnecessarily stopping drivers if they see a child in a car and what appears to be smoke.

It will also be an offence for the driver of the car not to stop somebody smoking in these circumstances. There are some definitions of what constitutes a private vehicle. It has to be an 'enclosed' vehicle. An open top convertible is exempt. An open sunroof is not enough. Neither can you evade the law by sitting in the seat with the door open (not advisable when driving).

If I take my 17 year old son for a drive, leave him in the car whilst getting a burger and he lights up. There is no offence because the rules say there must be at least two people in the car.
When I return and re-enter the enclosed vehicle I will be committing an offence if I don't make him put it out.

But never mind some anomalous possibilities its all to protect the children after all....

But no. I'm posting this after reading the bit that tells us all WHY these rules are being imposed..


Every time a child breathes in secondhand smoke, they breathe in thousands of chemicals. This puts them at risk of serious conditions, such as meningitis, cancer and respiratory infections such as bronchitis and pneumonia. It can also make asthma worse.

Secondhand smoke is dangerous for anyone, but children are especially vulnerable, because they breathe more rapidly and have less developed airways, lungs and immune systems. Over 80% of cigarette smoke is invisible and opening windows does not remove its harmful effect.
The law is changing to protect children and young people from such harm.

Makes sense eh? Now re-read

THE RULES DO NOT APPLY TO ELECTRONIC CIGARETTES


No. They don't. Why? Because 'second hand vapour' is HARMLESS.

It's nothing we don't already know as vapers. But I take it as a positive that legislators are implicitly agreeing that simple fact by by exempting ecigs. The raison d'etre for the rules is not applicable to vaping.









https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...bacco-e-cigarettes-and-smoking-1-october-2015
 
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Still a bit vague. What if the driver is 17 and smoking and a passenger is over 18? Does the passenger have to stop the driver smoking?

If not, then surely the passenger can smoke too?

And what about pets? Can the driver smoke if the dog he is taking to the vet is over 18?
 
Still nothing about driving while being attacked with a pointed stick. Shocking oversight.
 
I dont care about the whole smoking part of it, but the exempt part for e-cigs seems very positive.
 
I'm still trying to work out if this new law applies up here in Scotland (Or in Wales or NI)...

All health matters are devolved to the Scottish parliament, and we have different laws.
 
I'm still trying to work out if this new law applies up here in Scotland (Or in Wales or NI)...

All health matters are devolved to the Scottish parliament, and we have different laws.

I believe that smoking in a car with Miners is already banned in Wales (they already have enough damage from the coal dust...).

But seriously Wales passed the ban back in June, it takes affect on the 1st of October like the England one.
 
I'm still trying to work out if this new law applies up here in Scotland (Or in Wales or NI)...

All health matters are devolved to the Scottish parliament, and we have different laws.


It comes from the Dept of Health page...

The Department of Health (DH) helps people to live better for longer. We lead, shape and fund health and care in England, making sure people have the support, care and treatment they need, with the compassion, respect and dignity they deserve.


 
It wont make any difference to me or anyone I know....My kids are all over the 18 mark and the only one who still smokes ciggies is my wife...(She just wont quit)

I'm just interested in whether the new law is UK wide.
 
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