Quicker steeping hypothesis

[BD1]

At work with not alot to do so was thinking about steeping.

I've seen people post that zero nic juices don't change colour when steeped, so i assume that PG and VG is pretty inert in the steeping process, meaning the reactions taking place are between the nic and the flavour concentrates.

Now when i mix i throw everything in a bottle and leave to steep, 10ml @ 12mg or whatever.

What if i don't bother adding the dilutents yet?

My typical 10ml mix might look like the below:

1.7ml 72mg base nic
1.7ml PG
5.0ml VG
1.6ml flavouring

If i leave out the PG and VG it would be:

1.7ml 72mg base nic
1.6ml flavouring

3.3ml liquid total with a lot higher nic strength

Without the extra PG and VG in there i would guess that the reactive elements are in greater abundance and should react quicker with each other, lowering steeping time.

Can add the PG and VG in at the end once steeping is done to dilute down to the required strength.

thoughts?

 

[Ment]

It's definitely something to consider, but although PG and VG may not react with flavourings, they may react with nicotine.

In the famous words of the BMA "We need more research".

I've got some month old tobacco steeping away, I'll make some up like you suggest and see if it catches up.

 

[BD1]

I've got some custard that's been steeping for about 12 days, so i'll whip up an identical mix tonight but without all the PG and VG to see if it steeps any faster.

 

[cheersm8]

My thoughts are that once you dilute your "pre-steeped" with the PG/VG the steeping process will have to resume.

 

[South Coast Vaper]

Interesting thoughts. When I'm back from holiday I was going to try the separated steeping process. For example I was looking at making some base nic/pg/vg at 12mg. Then make up a 5 ml batch of custard and 5ml batch of strawberry in my usual concentration proportions. Steep separately for say a week then mix them together and steep for a few days before testing. I will be making 10ml in my usual way for comparison. This is not being done to speed up steeping merely to test what it brings to overall flavour. I read a piece written by the guy at Digby's who mentioned some of his juices are made this way. Looking forward to seeing your results.


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[scrumpox]

Well, I'm going to guess that your first assumption, that only nicotine produces colour change in the mixed juice, is not entirely correct.

Then I'm going to sit back and look forward to your discoveries.

As far as I'm concerned, being a home brewer for nobody's pleasure but my own (mostly), steeping time is what it is ... if I fancy a vape before it has matured that's ok, if it tastes better after I've left it a while that's even better. I've got 3-4 months of stock laid down so speeding up a 1-3 week steep has little to no value to me ... with plenty of juice to vape it stays in stock 'til it's ready. Testers can be a pain to wait for but patience has its own reward.

I guess I'm lazy and like to keep it simple because processes have to be repeated in order to get identical results. Mixing it up and leaving it alone is the least faff and as simple as it gets.

 

[BD1]

Just bugs me mixing something up and waiting 4 weeks to see how it tastes and then realising it's not quite right and having to tweak it and wait another 4 weeks to see what the new recipe is like, if i could trim it down to a week that would be better.

I'll start the experiment at the weekend, i'll mix 2 identical custards but one will be without any dilutants and i'll taste them both the following weekend to see if there's any difference.

In fact, i plan to taste them after 2 weeks as well, guess i'll need to make up 2 lots without the dilutant because obviously when i taste them i'll need to add the dilutents in to get down to the required nic level.

 

[scrumpox]

... it's diluent, you dilettante!

 

[Chegs]

I'm the laziest fecker around when it comes to juices,also the most impatient so if the bottle I grab from the drawer is 24 hours or older,it gets vaped if it is vapable,if not it goes back in the drawer & another bottle is grabbed but from the opposite end of the drawer.As this method seems to be the easiest,I tend to mix in batches of at least 100 ml(10 ml bottles of randomly chosen mixes from a list of 100+)My juice drawer now has 30 ml bottles of juice that was made anytime in the last year congregating on one side & the latest mixes gathering steeping times on the other.Both sides contain juices that are known instant vapes,and also has mixes that go with beer nights out,or visiting mother days,etc so the chances of me ever needing to hurriedly mix up an "instantly ready" juice doesn't exist.

I sometimes wander in the kitchen & experiment with untried combinations of flavour,the result gets added to the long list & then forgotten about until something jogs the braincell to react & try the juice.The occasional "yuck" result will eventually make it on to the desk,where it gets moved around while I try build up the resolve to bin it(I hate waste)and can still be turned into vapour months later when I'm in need of a "well,I was going to bin it but it will still do to test this coil/wick/configuration" where I subsequently discover it was nice enough after 7 mths steep and finish off the entire bottle.

 

[yolina]

Just bugs me mixing something up and waiting 4 weeks to see how it tastes and then realising it's not quite right and having to tweak it and wait another 4 weeks to see what the new recipe is like, if i could trim it down to a week that would be better.

That's when I am really glad that I do pretty much only fruit flavours and not tobacco or custard juice.