Short Fill Calculator Question and Help Needed

[hkintheuk]

Hello,

I've used the POTC calculator for basic mixing in the past.

Eg, Add flavour, set %, add nic level requirement, etc and it works really well ! Kudos to the designers !

But I am attempting something a bit more ambitious and I cannot work out which fields to fill in with what, to get the right mix.

Base ingredient is 50ml of 0mg short fill liquid at a 30PG / 70VG ratio.

I want this to be 6mg.

Problem 1 : Final Amount (ml)
It asks for a number. But I don't know that do I ? I know I am starting with 50ml, but I have no idea how many ml there will be finally, because I don't know (yet) how much Nic to add !

Problem 2 : Final VG and Final PG
It would make sense, in my mind at least,, to try and keep to the original 30 PG/70VG of the shortfill recipe.

Here's where it gets tricky.

If I dump in a 10ml Nic shot (18mg) that is 100% PG, I've just changed that final 30/70 ratio.

It makes sense to me, to therefore throw in another 10ml Nic shot (18mg) that is 100% VG,, which would bring the final product ratio back to 30/70.

I've now added 36mg of Nic to the original shortfill and whilst I may have the correct ratio in 30PG/70VG, I realise that the flavour is going to be diluted by the extra 20ml of liquid I have just added. Not good.

The calculator's problem, as far as I can see (or not knowing how to use it in an "advanced" way), is it doesn't tell me the dilution level of my shortfill, or allow me to tweak on the fly to get something more akin to my liking. It won't let me try and "stay on target".

What I would like the calculator to do is

1. Ask me the shortfill quantity in ml.
2. Ask me the existing Nic level (0 ofc !)
3. Ask me the shortfill VG/PG percentage
4. Ask me my desired Nic strength
Then say
1. You have a 30PG/70VG liquid.
2. To get to 6 mg, you need to add
3. x g/ml of Nic in PG, and x g/ml of Nic in VG
4. Caution : this will dilute the original flavour by x %
5. To compensate, you could instead use a higher nic strength, which means less ml's need to be added to the original shortfill.
6. Calculator suggests using 20mg/30mg/40mg or whatever in this quantity for PG, and this quantity for VG.
7. This will result in a lower dilution of the original base liquid, and therefore flavour. Whether you can get this higher Nic is another matter, but the calculator's job is purely mathematical.

Does that make sense ? I will say, in my defence I do tend to over-think things, but none of the calcs I have seen online seem to cover this angle, or if they do, I'm using them incorrectly!

Any help would be very kindly appreciated, thank you !

H

 

[Crewella]

Hello,

I've used the POTC calculator for basic mixing in the past.

Eg, Add flavour, set %, add nic level requirement, etc and it works really well ! Kudos to the designers !

But I am attempting something a bit more ambitious and I cannot work out which fields to fill in with what, to get the right mix.

Base ingredient is 50ml of 0mg short fill liquid at a 30PG / 70VG ratio.

I want this to be 6mg.

Problem 1 : Final Amount (ml)
It asks for a number. But I don't know that do I ? I know I am starting with 50ml, but I have no idea how many ml there will be finally, because I don't know (yet) how much Nic to add !

Problem 2 : Final VG and Final PG
It would make sense, in my mind at least,, to try and keep to the original 30 PG/70VG of the shortfill recipe.

Here's where it gets tricky.

If I dump in a 10ml Nic shot (18mg) that is 100% PG, I've just changed that final 30/70 ratio.

It makes sense to me, to therefore throw in another 10ml Nic shot (18mg) that is 100% VG,, which would bring the final product ratio back to 30/70.

I've now added 36mg of Nic to the original shortfill and whilst I may have the correct ratio in 30PG/70VG, I realise that the flavour is going to be diluted by the extra 20ml of liquid I have just added. Not good.

The calculator's problem, as far as I can see (or not knowing how to use it in an "advanced" way), is it doesn't tell me the dilution level of my shortfill, or allow me to tweak on the fly to get something more akin to my liking. It won't let me try and "stay on target".

What I would like the calculator to do is

1. Ask me the shortfill quantity in ml.
2. Ask me the existing Nic level (0 ofc !)
3. Ask me the shortfill VG/PG percentage
4. Ask me my desired Nic strength
Then say
1. You have a 30PG/70VG liquid.
2. To get to 6 mg, you need to add
3. x g/ml of Nic in PG, and x g/ml of Nic in VG
4. Caution : this will dilute the original flavour by x %
5. To compensate, you could instead use a higher nic strength, which means less ml's need to be added to the original shortfill.
6. Calculator suggests using 20mg/30mg/40mg or whatever in this quantity for PG, and this quantity for VG.
7. This will result in a lower dilution of the original base liquid, and therefore flavour. Whether you can get this higher Nic is another matter, but the calculator's job is purely mathematical.

Does that make sense ? I will say, in my defence I do tend to over-think things, but none of the calcs I have seen online seem to cover this angle, or if they do, I'm using them incorrectly!

Any help would be very kindly appreciated, thank you !

H

Blimey ........ my poor little blonde brain couldn't cope with that!

However, I do mix, and the Steam Engine calculator does allow for those kinds of calculations. Have a look and see if it helps if you mentally 'start again' and work out what you needed in the first place?

http://www.steam-engine.org/juice.html

 

[Crewella]

There's also this in the Guides section:

https://www.planetofthevapes.co.uk/...icotine-boost-calculator.157486/#post-1721987

 

[Rickster]

Hello,

I've used the POTC calculator for basic mixing in the past.

Eg, Add flavour, set %, add nic level requirement, etc and it works really well ! Kudos to the designers !

But I am attempting something a bit more ambitious and I cannot work out which fields to fill in with what, to get the right mix.

Base ingredient is 50ml of 0mg short fill liquid at a 30PG / 70VG ratio.

I want this to be 6mg.

Problem 1 : Final Amount (ml)
It asks for a number. But I don't know that do I ? I know I am starting with 50ml, but I have no idea how many ml there will be finally, because I don't know (yet) how much Nic to add !

Problem 2 : Final VG and Final PG
It would make sense, in my mind at least,, to try and keep to the original 30 PG/70VG of the shortfill recipe.

Here's where it gets tricky.

If I dump in a 10ml Nic shot (18mg) that is 100% PG, I've just changed that final 30/70 ratio.

It makes sense to me, to therefore throw in another 10ml Nic shot (18mg) that is 100% VG,, which would bring the final product ratio back to 30/70.

I've now added 36mg of Nic to the original shortfill and whilst I may have the correct ratio in 30PG/70VG, I realise that the flavour is going to be diluted by the extra 20ml of liquid I have just added. Not good.

The calculator's problem, as far as I can see (or not knowing how to use it in an "advanced" way), is it doesn't tell me the dilution level of my shortfill, or allow me to tweak on the fly to get something more akin to my liking. It won't let me try and "stay on target".

What I would like the calculator to do is

1. Ask me the shortfill quantity in ml.
2. Ask me the existing Nic level (0 ofc !)
3. Ask me the shortfill VG/PG percentage
4. Ask me my desired Nic strength
Then say
1. You have a 30PG/70VG liquid.
2. To get to 6 mg, you need to add
3. x g/ml of Nic in PG, and x g/ml of Nic in VG
4. Caution : this will dilute the original flavour by x %
5. To compensate, you could instead use a higher nic strength, which means less ml's need to be added to the original shortfill.
6. Calculator suggests using 20mg/30mg/40mg or whatever in this quantity for PG, and this quantity for VG.
7. This will result in a lower dilution of the original base liquid, and therefore flavour. Whether you can get this higher Nic is another matter, but the calculator's job is purely mathematical.

Does that make sense ? I will say, in my defence I do tend to over-think things, but none of the calcs I have seen online seem to cover this angle, or if they do, I'm using them incorrectly!

Any help would be very kindly appreciated, thank you !

H

Fk that....I dunno

 

[Miss Pepper]

Short fills are over flavoured to compensate for adding a nic shot.

 

[hkintheuk]

Short fills are over flavoured to compensate for adding a nic shot.

Hello and thank you for replying, much appreciated !

That's an interesting thought and I wonder if it applies across the board ? I suspect I'd need to ask the supplier of the shortfill however.

I did calculate roughly that I could either add

5 x 10ml of 18mg to 100ml shortfill, and get 150ml of 6mg ejuice. That's a 50% increase in liquid
or
9.09 ml of 72mg to get 109.09 ml of shortfill at 6mg. That's a 9.09% increase in liquid.

Both of these are going to change the shortfill flavour, but I am trying o decide which one to use !

 

[MrDJ]

youve lost me as well and i dont mix
but

if they are shop bought zero nic shortfills then its quite simple really.

as said some but not all make the zero juice more strong in flavor as it can then be a bit too strong for zero nic vapors.

so if you have a shortfil of
50ml zero in a 60ml bottle + 1 x 10ml 18mg nic shot to make 60ml of 3mg juice
100ml zero in a 120ml bottle + 2 x 10ml 18mg nic shots to make 120ml of 3 mg juice

40ml zero in a 60ml bottle + 2 x 10ml 18mg nic shots to make 60ml of 6mg juice
80ml zero in a 120ml bottle + 4 x 10ml nic shots to make 120ml of 6mg juice

me personally i now use 50/50 nic shots from darkstar as a few juices that are 70/30 before nic get too thick using 100%VG shots.

 

[Leni]

That's an interesting thought and I wonder if it applies across the board ? I suspect I'd need to ask the supplier of the shortfill however

If you have a bottle of 0mg nic-free juice, it will be full (I.e. not designed to take anymore liquid).
If you have a short fill, it will have space in the bottle for nic (it's short-filled ) and will be over-flavoured to accommodate that. At least, the decent ones will be

 

[Mr Ripple]

Hello,

I've used the POTC calculator for basic mixing in the past.

Eg, Add flavour, set %, add nic level requirement, etc and it works really well ! Kudos to the designers !

But I am attempting something a bit more ambitious and I cannot work out which fields to fill in with what, to get the right mix.

Base ingredient is 50ml of 0mg short fill liquid at a 30PG / 70VG ratio.

I want this to be 6mg.

Problem 1 : Final Amount (ml)
It asks for a number. But I don't know that do I ? I know I am starting with 50ml, but I have no idea how many ml there will be finally, because I don't know (yet) how much Nic to add !

Problem 2 : Final VG and Final PG
It would make sense, in my mind at least,, to try and keep to the original 30 PG/70VG of the shortfill recipe.

Here's where it gets tricky.

If I dump in a 10ml Nic shot (18mg) that is 100% PG, I've just changed that final 30/70 ratio.

It makes sense to me, to therefore throw in another 10ml Nic shot (18mg) that is 100% VG,, which would bring the final product ratio back to 30/70.

I've now added 36mg of Nic to the original shortfill and whilst I may have the correct ratio in 30PG/70VG, I realise that the flavour is going to be diluted by the extra 20ml of liquid I have just added. Not good.

The calculator's problem, as far as I can see (or not knowing how to use it in an "advanced" way), is it doesn't tell me the dilution level of my shortfill, or allow me to tweak on the fly to get something more akin to my liking. It won't let me try and "stay on target".

What I would like the calculator to do is

1. Ask me the shortfill quantity in ml.
2. Ask me the existing Nic level (0 ofc !)
3. Ask me the shortfill VG/PG percentage
4. Ask me my desired Nic strength
Then say
1. You have a 30PG/70VG liquid.
2. To get to 6 mg, you need to add
3. x g/ml of Nic in PG, and x g/ml of Nic in VG
4. Caution : this will dilute the original flavour by x %
5. To compensate, you could instead use a higher nic strength, which means less ml's need to be added to the original shortfill.
6. Calculator suggests using 20mg/30mg/40mg or whatever in this quantity for PG, and this quantity for VG.
7. This will result in a lower dilution of the original base liquid, and therefore flavour. Whether you can get this higher Nic is another matter, but the calculator's job is purely mathematical.

Does that make sense ? I will say, in my defence I do tend to over-think things, but none of the calcs I have seen online seem to cover this angle, or if they do, I'm using them incorrectly!

Any help would be very kindly appreciated, thank you !

H

Im the same as the rest and switched off half way through.
I will contribute that 10ml of 18mg vg nic added to 10ml of 18mg of pg nic will make 50%vg/50%pg which will alter the final ratio.
To retain the same 70/30 ratio the nic you add will need to be 70/30 ratio as well.