Vape Expo and Disposables.

[Deleted member 54254]

Try to pick somewhere near a campsite where I can park the motorhome and I'll come, on second thoughts that threat might limit numbers

 

[DeeDee aka (Pod Queen)]

The only reason im gutted not to have gone is cause it would have been nice to meet with a few of you lot. Other than that im pleased i didnt go. Plus its a 204 mile round trip for me, thats 3 hrs of just driving if there's no traffic

I think we may have to arrange something ourselves? Its just what location as we are all over the place.

X

 

[Mr Ripple]

Just got back from the Vape Expo at the NEC.

I’ve been to Expos previously, not in the last few years for obvious reasons but this certainly wasn’t my first. This years Expo though was, by far, the worst for lack of vendors and the smallest crowd I’d ever seen.

I saw a lot of people saying they weren’t going as they suspected it would be wall to wall disposables…. They weren’t wrong! I’d say at least 40% of the stands were purely disposable sellers and that 90% had some sort of disposable on their stand. Actually found myself getting a tad annoyed and @LDotKDot telling me to be nice to all the sales staff approaching me trying to push me to their disposable shite stand. I ended up simplify saying I do not touch disposables and walking away.

On the drive home Lizzie said to me “Why are they selling disposables at what is a usually a more vape hobbyist event?”…. I wonder the same myself. I hear a lot from people pushing these devices “Oh they are great for people getting off the cigs and a good gateway to proper Vaping”…. Well, as today showed, they clearly don’t believe their own bollocks. Walking around I saw a vast amount of people using different devices from higher end setups to pod systems. What I didn’t see was anyone, away from a stand, using a disposable.

We wanted to buy a number of devices for the website today. If I’d have wanted disposables (I’d rather chop a testicle off first) I’d have come home with thousands of the buggers, but I wanted proper devices. So what devices did we get for the site? Nothing, nada, zip. I asked numerous wholesalers, manufacturers etc but all the stock they brought was disposables, their actual devices were “For show only”.

So will I be going in October? Yes. I won’t be bothering visiting stands though, I’ll do what was the most enjoyable part of today and made the drive worth while, I’ll be at the bar area chatting to fellow Vapers and friends.

I didn’t know whether I’d bother posting a little opinion piece I wrote on disposables on the site, didnt know if I could be arsed with potential issues etc. After today though, I made it live on the drive home. I tried to be diplomatic but I did write it a few weeks ago…

https://legioxvape.com/blogs/news/disposables-thoughts-and-facts

I’ve just seen a video by @vapesmarter and I’m happy to see he had a lot of the same thoughts myself and Lizzie did.

“Why are they selling disposables at what is a usually a more vape hobbyist event?”

Sums it up very well indeed

 

[JustDave]

Just got back from the Vape Expo at the NEC.

I’ve been to Expos previously, not in the last few years for obvious reasons but this certainly wasn’t my first. This years Expo though was, by far, the worst for lack of vendors and the smallest crowd I’d ever seen.

I saw a lot of people saying they weren’t going as they suspected it would be wall to wall disposables…. They weren’t wrong! I’d say at least 40% of the stands were purely disposable sellers and that 90% had some sort of disposable on their stand. Actually found myself getting a tad annoyed and @LDotKDot telling me to be nice to all the sales staff approaching me trying to push me to their disposable shite stand. I ended up simplify saying I do not touch disposables and walking away.

On the drive home Lizzie said to me “Why are they selling disposables at what is a usually a more vape hobbyist event?”…. I wonder the same myself. I hear a lot from people pushing these devices “Oh they are great for people getting off the cigs and a good gateway to proper Vaping”…. Well, as today showed, they clearly don’t believe their own bollocks. Walking around I saw a vast amount of people using different devices from higher end setups to pod systems. What I didn’t see was anyone, away from a stand, using a disposable.

We wanted to buy a number of devices for the website today. If I’d have wanted disposables (I’d rather chop a testicle off first) I’d have come home with thousands of the buggers, but I wanted proper devices. So what devices did we get for the site? Nothing, nada, zip. I asked numerous wholesalers, manufacturers etc but all the stock they brought was disposables, their actual devices were “For show only”.

So will I be going in October? Yes. I won’t be bothering visiting stands though, I’ll do what was the most enjoyable part of today and made the drive worth while, I’ll be at the bar area chatting to fellow Vapers and friends.

I didn’t know whether I’d bother posting a little opinion piece I wrote on disposables on the site, didnt know if I could be arsed with potential issues etc. After today though, I made it live on the drive home. I tried to be diplomatic but I did write it a few weeks ago…

https://legioxvape.com/blogs/news/disposables-thoughts-and-facts

I’ve just seen a video by @vapesmarter and I’m happy to see he had a lot of the same thoughts myself and Lizzie did.

I don't really think of Expo as a hobbyist event tbh. It has become one to us, as hobbyists with the absence of Vape Fest.

When both shows were running, Fest was the hobbyist event and Expo was (and still is and will forever be) a trade show. I went expecting it to be disposable hell and I wasn't disappointed. Last time I attended it was pod city and the time before that it was full of cloud bro's.

Expo has always reflected the current trend in vaping, which sadly at the moment is disposable units. This was reflected in an increase in manufacturers attending this year and far less retailers, as there is no profit margin for a retailer when the producers are selling stuff at a wholesale rate.

I don't like it and it isn't sustainable but at the end of the day it isn't going away anytime soon, unless there is an environmental tax levied against disposable manufacturers.

 

[Chris K]

I don't really think of Expo as a hobbyist event tbh. It has become one to us, as hobbyists with the absence of Vape Fest.

When both shows were running, Fest was the hobbyist event and Expo was (and still is and will forever be) a trade show. I went expecting it to be disposable hell and I wasn't disappointed. Last time I attended it was pod city and the time before that it was full of cloud bro's.

Expo has always reflected the current trend in vaping, which sadly at the moment is disposable units. This was reflected in an increase in manufacturers attending this year and far less retailers, as there is no profit margin for a retailer when the producers are selling stuff at a wholesale rate.

I don't like it and it isn't sustainable but at the end of the day it isn't going away anytime soon, unless there is an environmental tax levied against disposable manufacturers.

Hobbyist was probably the wrong word… established or long term vaper is more like it.

Did you see anyone Dave, away from a stand, using a disposable device? I like to be nosey and see what setups people are using.

I remember Expos of old where they had smaller mod makers, handmade coil makers etc with little stands off to the side. Only one I saw with anything like that was Suicide Mods.

It was a rather depressing state of affairs, luckily you and others were there which made it worth it!

Unfortunately I agree that these things aren’t going away anytime soon, seem to have got themselves imbedded like a tick. Worryingly any tax brought on them though will inevitably be brought on all Vaping products as the powers that be won’t be bothered separating the different niches, they’ll just throw a blanket tax on it everything Vape related and be done with it.

We do need a hobbyist/established vaper event similar to what VapeFest was. As Stu said, I can’t see a time where it was more needed. If anyone has the time, inclination and organisational skills for it, I’m more than happy to pitch in and help!

 

[JustDave]

Hobbyist was probably the wrong word… established or long term vaper is more like it.

Did you see anyone Dave, away from a stand, using a disposable device? I like to be nosey and see what setups people are using.

I remember Expos of old where they had smaller mod makers, handmade coil makers etc with little stands off to the side. Only one I saw with anything like that was Suicide Mods.

It was a rather depressing state of affairs, luckily you and others were there which made it worth it!

Unfortunately I agree that these things aren’t going away anytime soon, seem to have got themselves imbedded like a tick. Worryingly any tax brought on them though will inevitably be brought on all Vaping products as the powers that be won’t be bothered separating the different niches, they’ll just throw a blanket tax on it everything Vape related and be done with it.

We do need a hobbyist/established vaper event similar to what VapeFest was. As Stu said, I can’t see a time where it was more needed. If anyone has the time, inclination and organisational skills for it, I’m more than happy to pitch in and help!

Saw plenty using them, although I suspect they were mainly vendors rather than consumers, as it wasn't as if it was busy for them.

Fully agree that we need something akin to fest. I believe John from Ideal Ohm Show is trying to sort something out, hopefully a more central thing than the last one that was in Norfolk I think.

Finding a venue isn't easy, although I have an idea that I might need to explore. Take it back to basics. One day event. Easy to travel to. Hotels and camping if possible. Get various groups involved. We should be able to get a reasonable turn out.

My mind is working.

 

[Chris K]

Saw plenty using them, although I suspect they were mainly vendors rather than consumers, as it wasn't as if it was busy for them.

Fully agree that we need something akin to fest. I believe John from Ideal Ohm Show is trying to sort something out, hopefully a more central thing than the last one that was in Norfolk I think.

Finding a venue isn't easy, although I have an idea that I might need to explore. Take it back to basics. One day event. Easy to travel to. Hotels and camping if possible. Get various groups involved. We should be able to get a reasonable turn out.

My mind is working.

Well mate my offer stands, if can help in anyway, shape or form, you’ve got my number.

I just want an event where I can drool over shiny things I can’t afford, maybe buy a shiny thing I can afford, have a beer and a laugh!

 

[vapesmarter]

reflecting this morning and looking at the hall of vapes show plan for their June event they have modders and coil makers separately listed on the floor plan.

I know a lot of modders have gone out of business and I also know a lot of modders cant afford the cost of a stand at 6k or 8k a pop.

however, the industry drives itself in relation to what is trending be it CBD or pods, etc but the industry drives the market so when I saw wall-to-wall disposables that is the industry.

comments like "there for the younger vapers" and "ideal if you want to get around the non-vaping thing you see mate" and "I carried mine on the plane on the way over" that sum's it up for me

but you also saw firsthand the waste, disposables on the loo floor, on the floor on the way out on the road the carpark, and some in bins.

I was testing some juice on one of the stands there were 2 vendors that did a custard that was ok there was a girl tooting on a disposable I couldn't see a tank with the juice in it so I put a drop on my hand and tasted it, the sample was 0% nicotine short fill with a look of horror she watched and said

"you shouldn't do that you don't know what's in it"

that about sums it up for

vapers using something they have no idea about and don't care what happens to it when they have used it and it's empty or flat.

 

[ZT]

Just got back from the Vape Expo at the NEC.

I’ve been to Expos previously, not in the last few years for obvious reasons but this certainly wasn’t my first. This years Expo though was, by far, the worst for lack of vendors and the smallest crowd I’d ever seen.

I saw a lot of people saying they weren’t going as they suspected it would be wall to wall disposables…. They weren’t wrong! I’d say at least 40% of the stands were purely disposable sellers and that 90% had some sort of disposable on their stand. Actually found myself getting a tad annoyed and @LDotKDot telling me to be nice to all the sales staff approaching me trying to push me to their disposable shite stand. I ended up simplify saying I do not touch disposables and walking away.

On the drive home Lizzie said to me “Why are they selling disposables at what is a usually a more vape hobbyist event?”…. I wonder the same myself. I hear a lot from people pushing these devices “Oh they are great for people getting off the cigs and a good gateway to proper Vaping”…. Well, as today showed, they clearly don’t believe their own bollocks. Walking around I saw a vast amount of people using different devices from higher end setups to pod systems. What I didn’t see was anyone, away from a stand, using a disposable.

We wanted to buy a number of devices for the website today. If I’d have wanted disposables (I’d rather chop a testicle off first) I’d have come home with thousands of the buggers, but I wanted proper devices. So what devices did we get for the site? Nothing, nada, zip. I asked numerous wholesalers, manufacturers etc but all the stock they brought was disposables, their actual devices were “For show only”.

So will I be going in October? Yes. I won’t be bothering visiting stands though, I’ll do what was the most enjoyable part of today and made the drive worth while, I’ll be at the bar area chatting to fellow Vapers and friends.

I didn’t know whether I’d bother posting a little opinion piece I wrote on disposables on the site, didnt know if I could be arsed with potential issues etc. After today though, I made it live on the drive home. I tried to be diplomatic but I did write it a few weeks ago…

https://legioxvape.com/blogs/news/disposables-thoughts-and-facts

I’ve just seen a video by @vapesmarter and I’m happy to see he had a lot of the same thoughts myself and Lizzie did.

Did i or did i not tell ya what it was gonna be like ?

epo for me has never been a hobbyist event - its a business event, sadly the hobbyist events died with vape fest

if i had the energy id try organise some hobbyist event, i dont tho.

nice piece man

sadly having talked to various peeps in the trade i dont think there are gonna be many more than us who make any kind of stand against them.

 

[Chris K]

Did i or did i not tell ya what it was gonna be like ?

epo for me has never been a hobbyist event - its a business event, sadly the hobbyist events died with vape fest

if i had the energy id try organise some hobbyist event, i dont tho.

nice piece man

sadly having talked to various peeps in the trade i dont think there are gonna be many more than us who make any kind of stand against them.

You weren’t wrong mate!

I anticipated it, just not to the degree it actually was. I must have looked like abit of a loon though walking up and down the aisles looking at the stands and just saying “Nope, disposable shite, nope, disposable shite”

I think (Hope) a few people are looking at options for a more VapeFesty style event.

Well if we are going to hold any hill, this is the hill I’m holding on. Don’t care if I’m the last one standing, I’m not touching disposables… I can survive on beans on toast!