What will happen to vaping

[vaporsizer]

So you think I'm worrying far too much about something that, may or may not even happen?

Well, maybe you are or maybe you're not but yes, that's another way of putting my words. You or anyone, we can't let the bastards get us down, we stand up & let them have it with both barrels. I'm having a hard time imagining just where they could get me apart from on e liquid but even then there's always a workaround to be found.
The vapers know a whole lot more about vaping than the gov do & we work together in a way i've never seen before.

 

[vaporsizer]

This will become an issue if the only devices legally available are Cigalikes and e liquid gets restricted to 20mg without a prescription.
The current free market is what has driven the huge innovation we have seen over the last few years, draconian regulation will kill that and many of the most heavily addicted Tobacco users need an effective device and liquid of a higher strength than 20mg or they'll simply smoking.
Possible high taxes will also significantly reduce the uptake as one of the key advantages right now is how much cheaper vaping is than smoking.

Most vapers I see in the wild are using Ego/ce4 type devices which will not be permitted under the proposed TPD regulations.

To be honest, this has been thrown around before & someone pointed out that it just couldn't be made to stick, not the way it was worded. Those tanks regardless of size don't contain any contents when sold & are just empty vessels. Ban those & they have to ban all empty bottles or any other empty item. Just another example of how completely shit & un-researched the proposals are.

 

[marcus-mulisha]

By the sound of yourselves and other discussions on the proposed regulation . . . they are clutching at straws to try and tax the industry, the more we talk about it and the more I read . . . It doesn't look like they have a leg to stand on atm!

 

[Fubar1977]

To be honest, this has been thrown around before & someone pointed out that it just couldn't be made to stick, not the way it was worded. Those tanks regardless of size don't contain any contents when sold & are just empty vessels. Ban those & they have to ban all empty bottles or any other empty item. Just another example of how completely shit & un-researched the proposals are.

You are probably right but ecig atomisers are pretty specific items, the rest of the hardware is quite generic and basically uncontrollable.
The only way we'll know for sure is when they try to implement legistlation and it ends up in court, as I'm sure it will.

In any case I'd rather be prepared, you only have to look at the recent families act to see that the UK government would like to control as many aspects of our lives as possible.

 

[Colonelboom]

The long and short of it is :

Pharma and Tobacco have lost lots of ground (and by ground I mean money) by passing over ecigs as a fad - they have very deep pockets and can influence ANY legislative decision if they want to.

Governments have been caught napping and are losing tons of tax revenue from smoking, that and the bonus they get from the populous dying earlier (less pensions money needed) and the obvious kickbacks they get from Pharma who peddle their anti-smoking wares and drugs to treat smoking related illnesses.

All three corrupt parties are looking to make their money again.

How they get there in the short term is to try and stifle the industry, try and make it crumble before legislation, reduce uptake through fear that things explode, poison or are harmful in some way (media spin 101). They then go behind closed doors with their billions in revenue and concoct a product that they can sell as 'safe' in it's place - all the while hoping the industry just burns out in it's current guise so they can clean up the market.

They then finance a back door in which the current regulations no longer apply (med regs or just plain brown paper bag technique)

It is ALL about money, not at all about health and disheartening to realise how much of a cash cow the human being truly is. If the Matrix film hadn't been released already you would swear you wer in it.

 

[vaporsizer]

By the sound of yourselves and other discussions on the proposed regulation . . . they are clutching at straws to try and tax the industry, the more we talk about it and the more I read . . . It doesn't look like they have a leg to stand on atm!

In legal terms they havn't really but there's no accounting for the corruption. To me a mechanical mod with an atomizer on top is not much different from a torch. Tube, battery, positive, negative, coil. Let's ban torches !

 

[vaporsizer]

The long and short of it is :

Pharma and Tobacco have lost lots of ground (and by ground I mean money) by passing over ecigs as a fad - they have very deep pockets and can influence ANY legislative decision if they want to.

Governments have been caught napping and are losing tons of tax revenue from smoking, that and the bonus they get from the populous dying earlier (less pensions money needed) and the obvious kickbacks they get from Pharma who peddle their anti-smoking wares and drugs to treat smoking related illnesses.

All three corrupt parties are looking to make their money again.

How they get there in the short term is to try and stifle the industry, try and make it crumble before legislation, reduce uptake through fear that things explode, poison or are harmful in some way (media spin 101). They then go behind closed doors with their billions in revenue and concoct a product that they can sell as 'safe' in it's place - all the while hoping the industry just burns out in it's current guise so they can clean up the market.

They then finance a back door in which the current regulations no longer apply (med regs or just plain brown paper bag technique)

It is ALL about money, not at all about health and disheartening to realise how much of a cash cow the human being truly is. If the Matrix film hadn't been released already you would swear you wer in it.

Yeah ! That's the part i couldn't think of but would like to have said. Very good sir.

 

[marcus-mulisha]

In legal terms they havn't really but there's no accounting for the corruption. To me a mechanical mod with an atomizer on top is not much different from a torch. Tube, battery, positive, negative, coil. Let's ban torches !

Haha let's ban torches! I'm going to carry on as I was and not worry about it!

 

[Hemulin]

if the worst happens there will be ways round it,take cannabis as an example,its illegal but you can by all the hardware you need to grow it & the seeds (sold as souvenirs!).they cant ban batteries or kanthal or cotton wool,im sure nicotine solution must be used in other things apart from e liquid? pg & vg widely used for all sorts & the flavourings are used in food,it will make life a pain in the arse but we will still be vaping no matter what they do.

 

[Huggett]

Do the math as why the Government hate it new stats show approx 2.1million new vapers from cigs

The ammount they smoked was anywhere from 5-50 a day so lets say average of 20 a day at £8 over the year that's 6billion pound, lets say only 50% of thats tax. Thats 3billion a year lost in revenue...

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