The Diacetyl Dilemma

[paul-7]

hardly any of the flavours/tastes that we would expect to show positives in their range though eh?

I would have thought about 20 out of all the 3 Test results

 

[ned]

I would have thought about 20 out of all the 3 Test results

fair enough. cant see them myself though

 

[Homi576]

Speaking from a perspective of someone who is an e-liquid producer....

more effort needs to go into educating the flavour houses that produce the flavours we use to make eliquid.

A lot of those houses tend to hide behind "ahh well you see our flavours are for food" while at the same time clearly marketing the flavours for cigarette use.

as much as everyone likes to blame the eliquid manufacturer - and responsibility does rightly belong there at least in a large part - but the chain of responsibility also needs to go further back to the flavour houses that manufacture the flavours. as a first port of call imo.

No e-liquid producer is actually adding these chemicals in their raw form to eliquid ( i bloody well hope anyway!) - it is sometimes in the flavourings they buy to use. so that is where the buck starts. especially for flavour houses that actually market their flavours for e-cigarette use.

Thats a great point!

 

[labmonkeys]

I maintain an attitude of taking personal responsibility.

The vast majority of us are former smokers (or are dual fuellers) and we all know that combusted tobacco can cause some nasty health issues.

The vast majority of us are also independent of smoking cessation services. We got into vaping by ourselves and don't receive 'official' support/guidance in what we do.

Given the lack of official guidance, it falls on all of us to research the equipment/liquid that we use and make a personal risk assessment of it.

If after making a risk assessment, you feel that a particular product doesn't offer enough benefit/reward for the perceived risk, then just don't buy/use it. If you do feel the risk is worth it due to the reward, then use the product and take responsibility for your own decision.

After all, it's your life, your health and your decision. Nobody forces anyone to buy/use equipment/juice.

Very well said, I support that attitude as well.

On topic, I personally stray away from Diacetyl (seems to be more rare really, most of the liquids seem to use AP now) and Acetyl Propionyl liquids until further studies come up. I do not avoid them completely since there are as far as I know some levels of exposure that are considered safe. However, considering the wildly varying numbers in tests, me not knowing those exact safe exposure limits and all the stuff happening right now, I simply don't trust the tests so I try to vape as little a possible for the liquids tested positive for said chemicals. Would like to see some regulated standardized e-liquid tests finally come in.

 

[Homi576]

Very well said, I support that attitude as well.

On topic, I personally stray away from Diacetyl (seems to be more rare really, most of the liquids seem to use AP now) and Acetyl Propionyl liquids until further studies come up. I do not avoid them completely since there are as far as I know some levels of exposure that are considered safe. However, considering the wildly varying numbers in tests, me not knowing those exact safe exposure limits and all the stuff happening right now, I simply don't trust the tests so I try to vape as little a possible for the liquids tested positive for said chemicals. Would like to see some regulated standardized e-liquid tests finally come in.

I personal think there should be some regulation but at the same time I would worry that it could be used to push through other regulations which could damage the vaping lifestyle and community.

 

[3dj]

As anyone heard or read anything about a long term vaper having any lung defects through vaping (relating to diacetyl) ?
I haven't. And it's titting me off, all this scare mongering bollocks. Have you seen how much diacetyl is in stinkies!!!!!!

 

[vaporsizer]

My liquid is clear & uncoloured so i'll live to be 150 ! ha ha, take that 'pension scheme' ! ...sorry.

 

[ned]

As anyone heard or read anything about a long term vaper having any lung defects through vaping (relating to diacetyl) ?
I haven't. And it's titting me off, all this scare mongering bollocks. Have you seen how much diacetyl is in stinkies!!!!!!

is there such a thing as a long term vaper though? whats it been around for 5 or 6 years?

again my point of view is if its in your juice then tell us it is,dont fucking lie over and over and over saying its not.

 

[oldhippydude]

I mix my own and am likely to avoid any flavour with health concerns though I can understand those that are happy with anything that is safer than smoking.
I decided in my early in my vaoing career to give creamy flavours a miss because of what I read at the time.
I have since discovered I do not like custards and the like anyway so I am not missing anything.
I am a nicotine addict, I just need my juice to be pleasant and to have enough variation to stop it getting boring (three ever evolving flavours at a time does me.
If concern was raised about a flavour I used I would happily give it up (after finishing the bottle).
I choose to keep the flavour % low in my mixes at about 5% or 6% which I find enough for a pleasant flavour. I do this because flavour is not strictly necessary for a nicotine addict and it is the most likely source of as yet unknown risks.
If others make a different risk assessment to me then all is good.
I am all for as much information as possible on the stuff we consume, and informed choice by consumers.

 

[Gonloopy]

Well to a degree I agree with you Steffi, and then again in parts I don't. I agree that there is an element of personal responsibility in this, there is also a significant element of corporate responsibility required too, (and has been shown sadly lacking given recent events). There is making an informed choice about a small residual risk due to small amounts of diacetyl / AP in eliquid and then there is eckin huge amounts that simply shouldn't be there.

Its ok for us that are forum types and access the information online, but what about the older generation that use their egos and ce4s and buy from their b&m? They will be oblivious to all of this, and there is a responsibility of manufacturers and retailers to ensure that one liquid does not carry a hugely increased risk over another.

To say do your own research , is a nice get out clause for the manufacturer and placing it on the individual is not the way forward IMHO