American Academy of Pediatrics, writes POTUS

[anthonyb]

I forgot about those Fleabag. And to think after allowing those for so many years, their now worried about some flavouring in something most kids think look silly.

 

[Fleabag]

and they forget the issue that a child who vapes is almost certainly a child who already smokes, or would've smoked if they hadn't tried vaping instead.

They use the increasing numbers who've tried it as a terrible omen for kids' health - the fact is that, as vaping becomes more common, of course there will be an increase in the small number of kids who will try it. The real question is whether those kids would've tried smoking instead if ecigs hadn't been there instead.

Though no-one wants to encourage any unnecessary dependence on anything at any age, one thing that's indisputable is that, if a rebellious child is going to become dependent on nicotine, it's exponentially better for it to be through the use of ecigs rather than tobacco.

 

[Colonelboom]

I was having a chat with my 3 year old yesterday along the lines of "daddy I can have coffee next year" I replied with no you are not onld enough yet sweet pea, its a grown up drink. She pointed out that through curiosity she tried mine a little while ago and I let her, does this mean I am pushing addiction and dependence on her in the same way?

At some point, parental responsibility has to be given somewhere, they seem to skirt over this now

 

[Fleabag]

I would love to see some figures on cigarette sales as e-cig use has increased over the last few years. It must be starting to show, as the rate of smoking cessation in our culture must be unprecedented.

 

[KulrMeStoopid]

I would love to see some figures on cigarette sales as e-cig use has increased over the last few years. It must be starting to show, as the rate of smoking cessation in our culture must be unprecedented.

a couple of them were reporting in 6% to 10% profit loss over the last quarter. Directly blame it on ecigs. This prompted the bigger tobacco companies to start purchasing and investing in ecigs. Except they all do cigalikes that are shit. Look at the Vype...classic FAIL.


As a parent it is my responsibility to teach my kids the rights and wrongs of the world and allow them to make SOME mistakes, otherwise how ever will they learn if the government is picking up the slack on parenting but not on poverty and crime??

 

[Fleabag]

I've said elsewhere - my mum gave me quite a hard time in my early teens for never drinking tea or coffee, as she said I can't go into people's homes as an adult and ask for orange cordial.

Though I do get what she meant about social acceptability of the kind of drink you accept as a guest, she was a bit premature, as I did develop a taste for coffee as I grew up (and can't live without my freshly ground cuppa in the morning now).

I think there's a greater universal interest in being able to drink alcohol. Not everyone smoked, but there aren't many adults who don't drink alcohol, and we felt very grown up when we were allowed to have some wine with a meal like those around us.

 

[Colonelboom]

As a parent it is my responsibility to teach my kids the rights and wrongs of the world and allow them to make SOME mistakes, otherwise how ever will they learn if the government is picking up the slack on parenting but not on poverty and crime??

Agreed! It is down to the parent to know what their child is doing but allow them the opportunity to learn (with guidance) for themselves. If I was told that aged 13 my daughter would start smoking for sure (as I did), I would give her an ecig myself - that is my role as a parent and not those who make the decisions for the country. The problem is that somewhere along the lines we gave up our rights to make decisions through being apathetic and now everything is controlled for us, on our behalf, with no alternative route for US to make that decision on.

 

[Fleabag]

Exactly on the parenting. What they seem to forget is that every child will soon be an adult, and moves such as this over flavours suggest that, as long as they stop the under 18s smoking, they care very little what happens to them once they reach adulthood

 

[Fleabag]

Everything in life is about damage limitation - if you knew for a fact your child was going to have sex, would you ignore the risks and stick with a total prohibition approach and eliminate all harm reduction approaches, or would you want to ensure that if they are going to do it, they're safe from pregnancy and disease?

 

[Fleabag]

a couple of them were reporting in 6% to 10% profit loss over the last quarter.

That's an astonishing figure in just one quarter - and that's including any profit they've made from the cigalikes. I would expect that rate of drop to continue for some time as ecigs become more mainstream. This alone absolutely vilifies ecigs and provides the single most important reason to continue to develop as it has so far