And in tomorrows news...
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Tune in to BBC news channel from 11:30am to see some further talk. 
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That was probably THE best positive tv interview i've seen.
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Anyone watching Fern Britton deserves to be disgusted & sickened. For future reference, watching her with your hands over your ears is 95% less harmful than listening to her.
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Maybe my head's in a bucket, maybe it's my character, but I only see positives. This has to change a lot of mindsets. Sure, they'll make mistakes out of ignorance, they'll want to prescribe approved products which we know are less likely to be successful in quitting terms. They won't join up the research which suggests that gen 2 and gen 3 devices are what's really needed. What's really needed is a process to find the right gear for each switcher on an individual basis. Unless the switcher has a guide through the confusing maze their chances are only 50/50. This is not in place and the TPD is a major threat to implementing something workable. Big Pharma is likely to win over an unstructured open market. Big Tobacco will push a lot of money into promoting cigalikes.
I quit using cigalikes as NRT; looking back it would've been great to have the NHS pushing it instead of being completely unsupported. Public health have taken their time but they're getting there. No point being resentful about it or looking for hidden agendas, the agendas are transparently obvious. I'm happy enough because my decision to vape was proven to be the right one ... and yes, I've harboured some doubts along the way about the long term effects, no point denying that.
There's two aspects to vaping ... getting off the fags and then enjoying the hobby. It's the former for most, it's the latter for the few of us. The hobby didn't kick in for me until 2 years later when I reached a fork in the road. Having quit the fags do I now quit vaping too or do I enjoy it so much that I want to get into it a bit more? That decision for me meant vaping had nothing to do with smoking any more.
Quite a few people see this fork and think the obvious thing to do is to quit vaping, to get off nicotine. Not only the never smokers, there are plenty of vapers who don't take the hobby road, it's simply smoking cessation for them. So I completely understand why most people see vaping as a strange hobby.
We hobbyist vapers are a very mixed bunch, and can be pretty divisive at times. Most of vaping culture has got nothing at all to do with quitting smoking. It took another fork in the road.
What we need now is for Public Health to maximise the conversion rate by supporting switchers through a selection of open market products ... not restricting them to cigalikes and approved pharma products. Though they are another string to their bow, approved products will be no more successful than patches and gums. If they are serious about eradicating smoking they need to listen to vapers who have successfully switched and make available the products they have used. They can only do that by blocking the EU's TPD.
I quit using cigalikes as NRT; looking back it would've been great to have the NHS pushing it instead of being completely unsupported. Public health have taken their time but they're getting there. No point being resentful about it or looking for hidden agendas, the agendas are transparently obvious. I'm happy enough because my decision to vape was proven to be the right one ... and yes, I've harboured some doubts along the way about the long term effects, no point denying that.
There's two aspects to vaping ... getting off the fags and then enjoying the hobby. It's the former for most, it's the latter for the few of us. The hobby didn't kick in for me until 2 years later when I reached a fork in the road. Having quit the fags do I now quit vaping too or do I enjoy it so much that I want to get into it a bit more? That decision for me meant vaping had nothing to do with smoking any more.
Quite a few people see this fork and think the obvious thing to do is to quit vaping, to get off nicotine. Not only the never smokers, there are plenty of vapers who don't take the hobby road, it's simply smoking cessation for them. So I completely understand why most people see vaping as a strange hobby.
We hobbyist vapers are a very mixed bunch, and can be pretty divisive at times. Most of vaping culture has got nothing at all to do with quitting smoking. It took another fork in the road.
What we need now is for Public Health to maximise the conversion rate by supporting switchers through a selection of open market products ... not restricting them to cigalikes and approved pharma products. Though they are another string to their bow, approved products will be no more successful than patches and gums. If they are serious about eradicating smoking they need to listen to vapers who have successfully switched and make available the products they have used. They can only do that by blocking the EU's TPD.
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although they have done nothing in terms with it with the cost involved why bother if you dont have a long term strategy that has some solid ground behnd it,not like bat prefer wasting that sort of money or dont have any sense
interesting to see how this one unfolds before us backs up what we have all being saying but for what agenda (yup i have a tin foil hat too )
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they ban it in nhs grounds and then want to prescribe it ?
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