Article in the guardian

[noddy]

Not a fan of the newspaper but the article might be of interest. Apologies if it's posted elsewhere already

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/feb/21/boom-ecigarette-sales-divides-campaigners

 

[BKKKPewsey]

Yep I was going to post this but you beat me to it.
OK it looks like we are showing some chinks in their armour with a bit of sitting on the fence by some previous opponents.

The best line was from our old friend Martin McKee

McKee acknowledges that a lot of people in public health say e-cigarettes are much safer than tobacco. "Absolutely, but that is not the issue here," he said. "They are missing the point."

So Martin what is the point?

 

[clint]

So Martin what is the point?

The point is loss of revenue. End of!
And they'll clutch at any straws available to justify that what they are doing is the right thing.
The whole thing is corrupt.

 

[Tubbyengineer]

Hmm, not a bad article, pretty balanced and lets people make their own decision, +0.5 to the Grauniad

 

[flava]

It's good to remember that some newspapers do still go in for genuine journalism these days, based on facts and a range of views.

The main issue that most articles seem to raise is the "no clinical studies" one. Is anyone conducting any such studies, does anyone know?


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[EthelKing]

To perform "gold standard" clinical trials of vaping is virtually impossible due to the sheer number of variables currently available. Too many types of battery, atomiser, liquids, strengths, flavors etc. It makes double blind trials impossible, and the cost of running a trial on each would be astronomical.

The only research that is being done cannot be thought of as gold standard, by clinical standards, and that is a big problem for the vaping community. Anecdotal evidence is not worth the paper it is written on, and common sense and probability has no place in scientific and medical trials.

 

[Ninjaassasin1983]

Great article buddy hmm somebody tried to invent the ecig in 1963 I wish they would've

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[vaporsizer]

We own it, we own it, we own it, we own it... & they don't !!!! Hehehehehehehehe

 

[Blackhack]

The WHO says while there are less toxins than cigarettes, there are some.

Where ?? Name and shame.....I've looked and looked but can't find any, So when making my own liquids, I'm obviously missing the Toxins ??

 

[Phantom Diablo]

ahhh the old trials chestnut.. that ones pretty much been done to death dont you think.
when you consider the main ingrediants of nicotine, PG and VG have been around for decades it does make you wonder what there argument is when they say they dont know the effects on health.
well not scientifc i know but how about.. 1000 times better than ciggies?
and as all the base ingredients have been around for years the effects and results are already out there but they refuse to acknowledge them