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[Polo65]

If people where to cause T juice to pull the plug again on concentrates . I would have to get the camouflage gear on and go on the hunt to find them lol . I love their stuff and it would mentally scar me if i couldn't buy it so Beware I could be hiding in your garden waiting on you

 

[DakotaMai]

Its all well and good experimenting with Red Astaire but re-selling it is wrong, even using it as a mixer.
Last year T-Juice actually stopped selling Red Astaire concentrate, as some people were mixing it and selling it on and being very blatant about it.

So imo please try and not to encourage these re-sellers as T-Juice can very easily pull the plug again :-(

+1 for this.

I regularly make mash ups with RA for personal use and for other apes/friends to try but would never sell as my own.




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[daz_app]

Indeed, red concentrate is like the best thing ever for home mixers starting out. I was around in the Great Red Drought and it wasn't pleasant.

 

[scrumpox]

This is an interesting dilemma ... so what's OK to say is your "own" creation and what is not? Where would you draw a line in the sand on this?

Let's assume the safe ground is where you create your own juices entirely from your own concentrates, ie concentrates you have made yourself from scratch. Nobody can argue that the final juice you produce is then yours, right. But what if you buy in concentrate ... ?

1. If you make a juice using one flavour concentrate, eg blueberry - can you sell it as your blueberry?
2. If you make a juice using two or more flavour concentrates, eg blueberry and apple - can you sell it as your blueberry and apple?
3. Are either of the above OK if you rename it, eg Moma's Blue Monday?
4. If you make a juice using a pre-blended flavour concentrate, eg Red Astaire - can you sell it as Red Astaire?
5. Same as 4 but can you sell it if you rename it?, eg Chuck's Cherry Cooler
6. If you make a juice using a pre-made blended concentrate and one or more other flavour concentrates - can you sell it if you rename it?
7. If you make a juice that uses one concentrate you made yourself, can you then mash up any number of bought in single flavour and pre-blended concentrates and call the final juice your own?

Finally, have you ever knowingly bought a concentrate which was sold on the condition that you may not use it commercially? How was that intellectual property declared and protected?

 

[heisenberg]

Holy crap, i only started this thread asking if anyone could shed any light on these various 'astaires' i saw floating around lol.

Can see your point tho scrumpox

 

[scrumpox]

Holy crap, i only started this thread asking if anyone could shed any light on these various 'astaires' i saw floating around lol.

Can see your point tho @scrumpox

I know, innocent question and everyone has a point of view, often just by gut instinct ... I'm a pretty anal character, I like to understand why I and others think X or Y, so I tend to break things down to check for reasoning.

 

[letsavit]

Red Astair was the first juice I liked after vaping shit for a week, it helped me no doubt realise vaping can be enjoyable. The service I have had from t juice and Nigel has been second to none and is as far as I'm concerned their recipe.

So my point of view is if you make it or copy it for profit you're a wanker and I would happily tell that to your face.

 

[John175bramley]

Red Astair was the first juice I liked after vaping shit for a week, it helped me no doubt realise vaping can be enjoyable. The service I have had from t juice and Nigel has been second to none and is as far as I'm concerned their recipe.

So my point of view is if you make it or copy it for profit you're a wanker and I would happily tell that to your face.

I don't agree with anyone using T-juice concentrate to mix and sell on for a profit, however if someone wants to create their own 'Red Astaire alike' from base ingredients and sell that I don't see a problem.

I'll quite happily drink Pepsi Cola even though I'm aware John Pemberton came up with the original Coca Cola recipe.

 

[BD1]

I fail to see how its any different using red Astaire in a recipe as opposed to capella vanilla custard. Both are a concentrate.

Meh, but that's just me

 

[Danny K]

Isn't this debate the same as copying anything ?

Its legal to copy anything you own as a backup however stuff is made available to make numerous copies, same rule applies I believe.

Its illegal to profit from any form of copyrighted material.

I don't believe you food flavourings have copyright and purchasing a flavour from any vendor allows you to use it however you like providing you don't profit from it.

Probably total waffle but felt I needed to post something.