Coronavirus: 'Infection here for many years to come'

[Simon G]

https://yourstory.com/2020/07/build-strong-immunity-fight-covid-19-velumani-thyrocare

 

[Mr Ripple]

This is all rubbish it will just go away.
Trump said so !

 

[oldhippydude]

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/05/t-cells-found-covid-19-patients-bode-well-long-term-immunity

Immune warriors known as T cells help us fight some viruses, but their importance for battling SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, has been unclear. Now, two studies reveal infected people harbor T cells that target the virus—and may help them recover. Both studies also found some people never infected with SARS-CoV-2 have these cellular defenses, most likely because they were previously infected with other coronaviruses.

“This is encouraging data,” says virologist Angela Rasmussen of Columbia University. Although the studies don’t clarify whether people who clear a SARS-CoV-2 infection can ward off the virus in the future, both identified strong T cell responses to it, which “bodes well for the development of long-term protective immunity,” Rasmussen says. The findings could also help researchers create better vaccines.

 

[Leni]

I've been reading stuff coming out of India that says the exact opposite.

You're right, it isn't clear at all.... I'm holding up my 'nobody knows' sign.

The exact opposite of what? You mean what you’ve been reading suggests we do develop some immunity or that we don’t?

From what I can see, there’s strong evidence that those who’ve had the virus have some immunity via antibodies: it’s how long those antibodies remain effective that’s in question. It’s still early days though, and there simply isn’t enough data to really know yet.

The simple fact we have no resistant or immune patients. If we did, we'd have a vaccine, by now. And an nhs that was COVID resilient. None of which has happened.

We have no Covid resistant or immune patients? How do you know that? That isn’t a ‘simple fact’, it’s an assumption on your part. It doesn’t necessarily follow that we would have a vaccine by now, this virus is still in its infancy. If you’re certain that there are no Covid resistant or immune patients though, you should definitely get on to all the drug companies spending billions racing to develop a vaccine. All the vaccines they’re working on (theoretically) work by stimulating the immune system to create antibodies to effectively fight off Covid 19. You should let them know it’s a complete waste of their time and resources.

Plus we are now seeing patients that have recovered, getting a second dose. Indeed the first confirmed death, of a second infection patient, was reported last week. Our glorious govs utter incompetence means we have no idea how ,any reinfected patients, we have. Lol. We don't even know how many fist time infected patients, either way. Immunity or resistance would be headline news. But no, no mention.

So... essentially we have no way of knowing if anybody’s been infected for a second time at all? If we don’t even know how many people have been infected at all, how could we possibly know that?

You realise you can find these yourself, right. Perhaps you could find all the information on the worlds immune or resistant patients? It seems fair for me to ask.

Plenty of other responses have shown links to data about how the immune system and antibodies response to Covid is being analysed. You’ve said ‘we don’t develop resistance, never mind immunity’ with absolutely no evidence to back that up. Without it, you can’t really expect people to take you seriously.

 

[RAPTOREX]

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/06/200623111329.htm
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/06/200622172026.htm
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/03/200317103815.htm
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/05/200507135355.htm
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/05/200515092007.htm
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/05/200504165738.htm
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/05/200521112613.htm

Yet not one offers any evidence of immunity. They all look at immune response, most on non primates too. An Ineffective immune response, is as bad as none at all. Lots of theories, but very light on human evidence.

we've had over 10 million cases. If the body was ever to make us mum even, it would have done by now. We should have over 9 million immune people. But that's not the case.

 

[RAPTOREX]

The exact opposite of what? You mean what you’ve been reading suggests we do develop some immunity or that we don’t?

From what I can see, there’s strong evidence that those who’ve had the virus have some immunity via antibodies: it’s how long those antibodies remain effective that’s in question. It’s still early days though, and there simply isn’t enough data to really know yet.



We have no Covid resistant or immune patients? How do you know that? That isn’t a ‘simple fact’, it’s an assumption on your part. It doesn’t necessarily follow that we would have a vaccine by now, this virus is still in its infancy. If you’re certain that there are no Covid resistant or immune patients though, you should definitely get on to all the drug companies spending billions racing to develop a vaccine. All the vaccines they’re working on (theoretically) work by stimulating the immune system to create antibodies to effectively fight off Covid 19. You should let them know it’s a complete waste of their time and resources.



So... essentially we have no way of knowing if anybody’s been infected for a second time at all? If we don’t even know how many people have been infected at all, how could we possibly know that?



Plenty of other responses have shown links to data about how the immune system and antibodies response to Covid is being analysed. You’ve said ‘we don’t develop resistance, never mind immunity’ with absolutely no evidence to back that up. Without it, you can’t really expect people to take you seriously.

They are research on immunity. All theoretic. The real world tells a different story.

 

[RAPTOREX]

Also . the beeb spouted it .. not the government ..

they aint exactly friends these days ..

Lol. A lovers spat. Tory appointees cram the BBC board and top management jobs.

 

[Simon G]

The exact opposite of what? You mean what you’ve been reading suggests we do develop some immunity or that we don’t?

The opposite to "we don't develop resistance or immunity"

 

[oldhippydude]

Yet not one offers any evidence of immunity. They all look at immune response, most on non primates too. An Ineffective immune response, is as bad as none at all. Lots of theories, but very light on human evidence.

we've had over 10 million cases. If the body was ever to make us mum even, it would have done by now. We should have over 9 million immune people. But that's not the case.

It seems you are 100% immune to evidence.
It is more than likely that millions infected people are immune.
This is scientific consensus.

There are questions over whether immunity is long lasting and whether asymptomatic people develop immunity.

Your constant assertions that we do not develop resistance or immunity has no scientific basis.

You seem to think that there is a mass of reinfections going unreported. It seems more likely to me that you are delusional.
If there was no resistance or immunity for those infected, we would have thousands of reinfections. instead we have a few cases of people testing positive twice that are probably just the virus persisting longer in some people.

I will continue to post science links in response to your nonsense, for the benefit of others. You are clearly set in your unfounded beliefs. No evidence is going to sway you. You seem to believe that the evidence to support your position is not being reported.
Have you considered the possibility you might be paranoid?

 

[andipandi]

Lol. A lovers spat. Tory appointees cram the BBC board and top management jobs.

Depends which side of the fence you sit, imo the BBC have been a propaganda machine for the Tories for a long long time, based just on what they don't report, there is also how they (the BBC) report and present facts, it's skewed in favour of the Government. But I would say that, other people think the BBC are in the pay of the left or far worse. If I want to hear or see the news I don't bother turning the TV on, Radio 4 and the World Service are decent though, but they've been robbed of funding. The crap TV programmes the BBC turn out these days is a real piss take.