How will TPD permeate in reality?

[olioli]

Most Chinese resellers declare goods as electronic gadgets so you'll be fine importing the kit.

For Juices you'll still get the 10ml bottle under 18mg.

They won't even be able to confiscate my mod/Atty so why should I stop vaping?

 

[vapeabox]

Hey all, it's another TPD thread!

Sorry, I have read through quite a few threads, but had a few thoughts, wanted to get your opinions?

So, equipment-wise, I can't see that batteries come under much fire (lol, so punny!) and I can't see how you could ban them anyway. They are just batteries! Maybe someone can create a lightbulb with a 510 connection and we can say they are torches?! Seems a bit odd given that most vape-related injuries are down to the batteries rather than anyone dousing themselves in nicotine...?

Leak-proof tanks? Would tanks like the Melo2 with the juice refilling slot suffice? Personally I like this design, does that mean we will see more like this? And how on earth would customs be able to sniff out an imported tank anyway? Or coils for "banned" tanks?

Juices: no high nic levels. But can you still buy bottles of nicotine and DIY? Or is this where the black market comes in to it? Again, I can totally see smuggling being too hard to control.

What's the deal with 0 nic juices, will they get regulated? If not, surely you could just sell 0 nic juices and we will have to add our own nicotine? Seems stupid and more risk of hazards, but hey, nothing makes sense anyway!

And if you DIY juices, I can't see that any part of this is a problem, they won't stop selling VG and PG or flavour concentrates, so it's just the availability of nicotine?

When this goes through, I'm going to become a massive vaping vigilante. Although I can see a world where TPD doesn't make much difference. I didn't get into vaping after watching an advert. Vape sites are already more regulated than porn sites, etc

Am I just rose-tinting? I realise part of the problem is that most of this is as of yet unquantified, so it's all speculation, but I wanted to hear if my logic is totally flawed?

It's interesting to me as someone living in Cairo, I just discovered that the Egyptian authorities banned everything to do with e-cigs back in Feb, but you would never know it! More and more I see people vaping in pubs, there are a handful of homegrown juice ranges that aren't half bad, and if I want a US premium juice or a bit of kit, I only have to make a phone call and it's delivered the same day! We have a handful of vape shops, which is not bad for an outlawed product in a city where the majority of people are too poor to afford it and too ignorant of health issues to care! Because it's just a very difficult thing to actually regulate!

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/105139?reveal_response=yes

 

[vanilla]

I was wondering if vendors might start selling vaping paraphernalia as 'novelty items' to get around it.

I believe that's what happens with a most sex toys and stuff, to avoid regulation under the medical devices directive.... Apparently

 

[3dj]

An email I got today.

Dear XXXXXXXXX

The Government has responded to the petition you signed – “Fight the European Comission on the ridiculous regulations of e-cigarettes”.

Government responded:

The Government recognises the potential benefits of e-cigarettes to reduce the harms of smoking. The TPD introduces a regulatory framework which does not ban flavours or the use of refillable tanks.

The revised Tobacco Products Directive (Directive 2014/40/EU) (TPD), was published in April 2014 and the UK is now required to transpose the TPD into domestic law by May 2016. A consultation on the draft regulations and impact assessment was held from July to September this year. The TPD will introduce additional rules on the composition, safety and presentation of e-cigarettes to ensure a high level of health protection for UK citizens.

Whilst the Government recognises the potential benefits of e-cigarettes and their role in reducing the harm of tobacco use and helping smokers quit, the quality of products on the market remains variable and they are not risk free. The regulatory framework introduced by the TPD is intended to provide for minimum standards for safety and quality of all e-cigarettes and e-liquids, information to consumers so that they can make informed choices, and an environment that protects children from beginning to use these products.

The TPD does not ban new flavours in e-cigarettes and e-liquids. The TPD permits Member States to make their own rules on flavours in e-cigarettes and e-liquids, however the Department of Health has no current plans to do so.

Refillable tanks will still be permitted under the TPD. Tanks will be limited to 2ml in size and rules to make refill mechanisms ‘leak free’ will be introduced. Consumers will remain able to purchase tank devices and separate e-liquids.

E-cigarettes do not fall under the definition of a tobacco product under the TPD. The UK’s implementing Regulations define “tobacco product” to mean a product that can be consumed and consists, even partly, of tobacco.

Following implementation of the new EU rules, there will remain a range of e-cigarette and e-liquid products on the UK market. In parallel, the prohibition on the sale of e-cigarettes to under-18s, will help ensure these products are positioned as alternatives to smoking and not a product that introduces children to vaping or smoking.

Department of Health

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[vapellie]

I wanna know why I didn't get this, I thought I'd signed every petition in existence, guess I didn't!

It's interesting that the tone towards e-cigs is evolving. Seems a lot less restrictive than it first seemed.

Still will be stockpiling a few choice items prior to implementation!

 

[retiredguy]

If we can still buy tanks bigger than 2mls online shipped from abroad then that'll be super.
How might that work as far as Customs regulations are concerned do you think?
I wouldn't want my collar felt for importing illegal goods.
I've asked elsewhere about non-nicotine juices.
If those aren't covered by the TPD then might we legally buy tanks bigger than 2mls for vaping non-nicotine juice or not?

 

[oldhippydude]

If we can still buy tanks bigger than 2mls online shipped from abroad then that'll be super.
How might that work as far as Customs regulations are concerned do you think?
I wouldn't want my collar felt for importing illegal goods.
I've asked elsewhere about non-nicotine juices.
If those aren't covered by the TPD then might we legally buy tanks bigger than 2mls for vaping non-nicotine juice or not?

If you do not want to import illegal goods then stock up now.
At the moment most of what we import from china has false declarations of contents and value and much of it should have duty charged but very little of it is checked by customs.
That is not likely to change but there is always a chance they could decide to clamp down at any time, making things harder.
Your guess is as good as anyone elses, as to whether this is likely.

 

[Chronic Screwdriver]

I've asked elsewhere about non-nicotine juices. If those aren't covered by the TPD then might we legally buy tanks bigger than 2mls for vaping non-nicotine juice or not?

At this point, nobody knows, but I'm not sure how that would work in practice. Would you have to click a button when buying any tank larger than 2ml online, confirming you absolutely solemnly promise to never ever vape nicotine in it?

While I wish this was likely, I'm not sure even our government is stupid enough to allow such a loophole.

 

[vanilla]

If we can still buy tanks bigger than 2mls online shipped from abroad then that'll be super.
How might that work as far as Customs regulations are concerned do you think?
I wouldn't want my collar felt for importing illegal goods.
I've asked elsewhere about non-nicotine juices.
If those aren't covered by the TPD then might we legally buy tanks bigger than 2mls for vaping non-nicotine juice or not?

It's nonsense anyway tbh, because nicotine isn't a tobacco product. Tobacco and it's derivatives are tobacco products.

 

[vanilla]

At this point, nobody knows, but I'm not sure how that would work in practice. Would you have to click a button when buying any tank larger than 2ml online, confirming you absolutely solemnly promise to never ever vape nicotine in it?

While I wish this was likely, I'm not sure even our government is stupid enough to allow such a loophole.

Never underestimate the stupidity of the government!

The more I read in terms of government response, the more certain I become that we're not going to see the huge restrictions that we all feared. The impression I'm getting at the moment is that the government will pay the TPD lip service, but won't actually be willing to allocate much resource for enforcing it.