Is it possible that lower quality eJuice/ingredients in the marketplace can wreck coils?

[ZT]

To be entirely honest if a juice kills a coil quickly I'm more concerned about myself than about the coil...

Doesn’t always follow though - take for instance NETS

I've tried juices from nasty that killed my coils within around 10ml and I once tried an orange liquid from element vape and that killed my coil within a few hours

fresh squeeze ? That is a huge cool killer

 

[Deleted member 58360]

Doesn’t always follow though - take for instance NETS

I'd really rather not

I would however be curious as to the fashion in which they kill coils - is it through deposits?



I can't say I really ever liked the taste or smell of tobacco, fresh or burnt...

And while NETs have been shown to still be way 'better' than actually smoking, the comparison I have to make is against other ejuice - and specifically against the juice I use over anything else (PG, VG and freebase nic - that's my full ingredients list).

 

[ZT]

I'd really rather not

I would however be curious as to the fashion in which they kill coils - is it through deposits?



I can't say I really ever liked the taste or smell of tobacco, fresh or burnt...

And while NETs have been shown to still be way 'better' than actually smoking, the comparison I have to make is against other ejuice - and specifically against the juice I use over anything else (PG, VG and freebase nic - that's my full ingredients list).

What I’m saying is - I don’t think coil killers are necessarily any worse for you than other flavoured liquids (not saying they are not either) - all Eliquids leave deposits on the coils - some faster than others! Sweeteners are the biggest culprits - and anything with natural extracts (ie : nets, but other stuff as well) - some juices just kill coils ridiculously fast (most but not all nets tend to be in that category, but also things like over sweetened US juices - fresh squeeze by elements is a major one) thing is tho people who vape coil killer juices tend to accept it and rewick a lot more often - even daily.

I sometimes wonder if in fact that is possibly slightly better for you than leaving a coils two weeks for the cotton to degrade. And the deposits are on the coil after all.
It’s personal purely supposition rather than evidenced science mind you.

for you tho - no flavourings - I doubt anyone is gonna get healthier than that short of stopping vAping

 

[Deleted member 58360]

I sometimes wonder if in fact that is possibly slightly better for you than leaving a coils two weeks for the cotton to degrade. And the deposits are in the coil after all.
It’s personal purely supposition rather than evidenced science mind you.

I did see a study done (not a particularly shitty one mind, although it was focussing on metallic transfer) that suggested frequently renewing coils was worse than using them for longer.

So I now sit somewhere in the middle - I think...

(I think) I'm reducing my metallic element intake by not swapping coils too often (the peak was shown to be on a brand new coil) while swapping often enough that I don't use blackened cotton so I'm not getting to the stage of burning deposits.


Well, that's the plan at least...

 

[Deleted member 58360]

What I’m saying is - I don’t think cool killers are necessarily any worse for you than other liquids

I'm not entirely disagreeing, but I am slightly...

I don't consider it possible that the coil/wick collects everything that turns into deposits - a fair amount of that must surely be vaporised.

For instance, heavily sweetened juices leave heavy deposits on the coil, but they also taste much sweeter - so it stands to reason it's making it out of the atty. Everything else present can only really be assumed to behave in the same fashion.

Whether those substances are bad or indifferent is the bit I really can't comment on - at least not in general.

Personally, they affect me negatively.

Anyone else, that's really for them or people with far more equipment than I have to determine.

There's no way I think it's anywhere near as bad as the alternative of smoking - unless there are truly noxious substances present...

 

[Banjostring]

I assume you use rebuildables? I think if you vape that amount you have to rebuild otherwise like you say you'll go through coils in no time

For me though getting a max of 40ml is acceptable because I've tried many different stock coils and other then the mesh pro I was getting far less coil longevity

I use both. Mainly rebuildable for mech squonking and a couple of tanks with mesh pro coils in them and I reckon I'm putting well over 100ml through the mesh pros before they've had it. Even my rebuildables can take 40-50ml before needing a clean up and re-wick, which takes only a couple of minutes and costs pennies.

 

[anthonyb]

I'm a mesh pro coil user, and as above I also put in excess of 100ml through them before they give up, (sometimes as much as 200ml). But because of the flavours and volume per day used, I don't get much more than a week out of them.

The mention of metals in this thread caught my eye.
I can't find the research at the moment, but it does state that, "while the metals are detectable, the levels are so low as to be unmeasurable".
And I'll just leave this relevant link here http://www.ecigarette-research.org/research/index.php/research/research-2015/209-metals

 

[Deleted member 58360]

while the metals are detectable, the levels are so low as to be unmeasurable

If that particular quote is actually what is said (with no caveats) then it alone would cause me to view it with scepticism.

If you can detect something enough to positively identify it, you can measure it.

To positively identify something, you need a complete one of it - so you've counted one already...

It can legitimately be below the resolution of the equipment, but that should be part of the statement.



As to the actual levels:

The anti vaping scare science measured what they claimed were high levels.

Even those levels, when considered properly and put into proper context, were well below the 'safe' industrial exposure rates, and tens to hundreds of times lower than present in cigarette smoke.

From what I recall, a non-scare study measured them to be factors of ten lower than that.

And yes, they're all within the acceptable medicinal limits.


But, that doesn't mean that such exposure is good nor safe. The key word is "acceptable".

The medicinal limits are based on comparison - as in what happens with this exposure against what happens if you don't take the drugs...

It becomes acceptable to risk exposure if the alternative is worse.


Cynically, industrial limits are based on acceptability as well - are the amount of casualties acceptable (or affordable) compared to the societal benefit (or profitability) of the industry in question.



So, the ideal exposure is zero.

While I do seek to reduce my exposure, I take into consideration the acceptability compared to the case of me continuing to smoke.

In that situation, it's acceptable.

But, as I said in another thread, my ultimate aim is to stop vaping too, which is another voluntary exposure eliminated.

Until that point though, it's (again) acceptable.

 

[RAPTOREX]

I'm Making my own coil. nothing special 2.5mm diameter, 11round ni80 0.3mm around 1.8ohm. I'm vaping Vampire Vape Vamp Toes liquid what I mix my self on 70/30 maybe 80/20. Daily around 5ml juice sometimes bit more about7-8ml. I'm changing my coil Every second weeks, if I'm lazy every 3.rd weeks. My coils are still ok taste, colour... after 70-100ml liquid. Also few times I tried custard (quality juice) or I went with DL and my coil didn't last as long.

Are we not getting confused between, coils and stock coils, here. I very much doubt the actual coils, inside a dead stock coil, are really burnt or damaged. It's the wicking and the coating on the coils that makes them dead.
I tend to change my coils because I fancy a different build. I've yet to have a coil burn or die. I've a couple of sets that have had a 1000ml of juice, through them. But they still come up shiny after an ultra sonic bath.


speaking to the OPs TC problem. The gunk you get from many juices can play havoc with the resistance of the coils. As TC works by measuring the change in coil ( more factually the metals) resistance. This could well led to the problems he states.

 

[zouzounaki]

As for NETs I think it’s safe to say that they are comparatively more harmful than liquid with artificial flavours, there is a farsalinos study from a few years ago that confirms they do contain more carcinogenic substances (nitrosamines etc.) than artificial flavours (although still massively less than burning fag smoke).