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lozfaux

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Just a quick question from a noob, if I am making tiny samples do I need to let them steep or can I just give them a jolly good shake?

Trying to get my flavour balance right....

Obviously when I make a larger amount I will leave it a few weeks :)

Cheers in advance



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Personally I make 5ml samples. By doing that, there's likely to be less deviation and it will be easier to make additions and also easier to scale up.

Wrt steeping, i don't treat samples any differently. You may well get a fair idea with just a shake but, depending on flavours used, it may need much longer.
 
I'm new to DIY and this is a bit off topic but I know a thing or two about maths and measurement and it might help you make more consistent samples. Every time you measure something, you have a degree of error that is built into the method of measurement. The most accurate methods of measurement eliminate the need to "read" a scale as a human interpreting something is another error factor that you don't need.

So let's say you're using a syringe to measure out your quantities. The syringe itself isn't 100% accurate but for these purposes it's fine. The error here comes with your interpretation of the amount you've drawn into the syringe - sometimes you'll be a little bit shy and sometimes you'll be a little bit over the amount you're after. Let's say, for arguments sake that you're average error is +/-0.1ml. If you're making a total of 5ml and you do it all with one syringe pull, you have a potential error value of 0.1ml or 1/50 of your total amount of juice. If you make up a 1ml sample, your error range won't change, so you'll have a potential error of 1/10. That's a pretty bloody big error value. The point being, the largest sample you can make, the more consistent you'll be when it comes to replicating the sample. Clearly you can't make 100ml samples though, you have to balance out cost against accuracy.

Yeah, I know that the more juice you make the more syringe pulls are required and therefore the amount of error will increase, but when you make larger batches you tend to use a larger syringe, meaning your error value does decrease (up to a point).

Hopefully this lot will help you make more consistent samples - I got on a bit of a roll with the typing there though. Sorry!
 
Yeah, I waffled a bit there didn't I? Essentially, you are bound to make an error when you're meauring. The larger the sample you make, the less difference that error makes (lower percentage of the overall sample size).

Personally, I am mixing up 5ml samples. Same as most people I gather. I'd never mix a 1ml sample, as knowing my luck I'd stumble across the Holy Grail of juices and not be able to repeat it.
 
I'm new to DIY and this is a bit off topic but I know a thing or two about maths and measurement and it might help you make more consistent samples. Every time you measure something, you have a degree of error that is built into the method of measurement. The most accurate methods of measurement eliminate the need to "read" a scale as a human interpreting something is another error factor that you don't need.

So let's say you're using a syringe to measure out your quantities. The syringe itself isn't 100% accurate but for these purposes it's fine. The error here comes with your interpretation of the amount you've drawn into the syringe - sometimes you'll be a little bit shy and sometimes you'll be a little bit over the amount you're after. Let's say, for arguments sake that you're average error is +/-0.1ml. If you're making a total of 5ml and you do it all with one syringe pull, you have a potential error value of 0.1ml or 1/50 of your total amount of juice. If you make up a 1ml sample, your error range won't change, so you'll have a potential error of 1/10. That's a pretty bloody big error value. The point being, the largest sample you can make, the more consistent you'll be when it comes to replicating the sample. Clearly you can't make 100ml samples though, you have to balance out cost against accuracy.

Yeah, I know that the more juice you make the more syringe pulls are required and therefore the amount of error will increase, but when you make larger batches you tend to use a larger syringe, meaning your error value does decrease (up to a point).

Hopefully this lot will help you make more consistent samples - I got on a bit of a roll with the typing there though. Sorry!

lost me upto half way then all came clear lol. i think 1ml samples is too small especialy if you shake it youll losa half that lol.
i mix in 10ml samples not had a bad one yet but if i do hey itds only 10ml and you can always add red astaire. that stuff kills everything
 
The darkprince is saying yes and no. Clearly. ;)

What is the best waffle concentrate by the way?
 
The darkprince is saying yes and no. Clearly. ;)

What is the best waffle concentrate by the way?



UUUGGGH, fiiiiiiiiine. Yes, you need to let them steep. A quick 10 minute steep will be enough to give you an idea of the flavour but to know exactly what they're going to taste like, you need to let them steep. Not my words, nor are they the words of Shakin' Stevens. I read a similar post response yesterday :D

I'm not sure about the best waffle concetrate, but I'm sure I could bottle something up for you :P
 
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