The Alternative Method of Blending Concentrates.

[cheersm8]

Hi folks,
I am sure that at least one person on POTV has tried this alternative method of blending flavours -
Blend before mixing, ie make a batch of a blended concentrate ( x amount of this, x amount of that, etc ) and then use that blend as a "standalone" concentrate for a diy juice.
If you have, was it successful and/or worth it?
Just sitting here getting my head around the pro's and cons, it seems viable, and not that complicated if you change your method from percentages to volume ( ml's). The complication would come, for me, when deciding what percentage of the theoretical "pre blend" to use.

 

[South Coast Vaper]

I'm sure it's possible other wise T Juice etc would not be selling concentrates. BD1 was considering selling concentrates so maybe he can help. Not tried it myself though.


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[BD1]

Yes it's possible, when you create an eliquid from several concentrates you use a certain percentage of each.

Lets say for example you use 14% custard, 3% caramel and 1% banana

You can mix them all together, so in a 10ml eliquid you would have 1.4ml custard, 0.3ml caramel and 0.1ml banana

Adding them up and mixing them together gives you 1.8ml or 18%, same as if you added the percentages.

So you could pre-mix all your concentrates together in the same ratios and them use 18% of the final concentrate to get the same mixture as using them individually.

Hope that's not too confusing, i've had a few beers

*EDIT*

Where it get's confusing is upscaling your mixture to the quantity required

If you wanted 100ml of the above concentrate and keep the same ratios of each flavour you'll need to do a little bit of maths.

we've ascertained that 1.8ml or 18% is what we require in our e-liquid. so for 100ml of concentrate we'll divide 100 by 1.8

100/1.8=55.55555555555556

so to keep the same ratios, we'll need to multiply each concentrate by roughly 55.56

for the sake of easy to measure final quantities we'll multiply by 55

Custard = 1.4x55=77ml
Caramel = 0.3x55=16.5ml
Banana = 0.1x55=5.5ml

77+16.5+5.5=99ml which is near enough to 100ml, now just use this mixture at 18% of your e-liquid every time you want to whip one up

for lesser amounts:

30ml = 30/1.8
10ml = 10/1.8

etc
etc

 

[scrumpox]

For mass production this must be the only way to go ... but for home brewers that approach can only lead to wasting concentrate.
OK if you have a recipe nailed down, but if you're testing along the way ... it can't work unless you're going by smell rather than actually vaping it.
I know that I wouldn't trust my nose, too many conecentrates have smelled fantastic only to disappoint when vaping.

Pretty sure I read that John at FlavourArt UK develops new flavours using this method so it must work for some.

 

[Diche]

I remember reading one of the juice suppliers saying he found it worked for some flavours and not others, so some were premixed and some had to be added separately or he didn't get the same taste.

 

[scrumpox]

That complexity is probably the difference between home brewers and the real craftsmen. Understanding how flavours interact and create subflavours is a art.
I still can't get vanilla and coffee to blend just so ... right now I'm vaping vanilla in one Rose and espresso in my other Rose! LOL!!

 

[ZT]

The difference is also in chemical reactions

when we mix flavours, nic, etc we are creating various chemical reactions.

chemical reactions can differ and alter (which ultimately means the the flavour can be different) when one or more of the usual ingredient is removed from the equation.

ie : mixing custard and banana and caramel in with VG,pG and nic "could cause a slightly different chemical reaction to mixing them together without the bases and then adding the bases at a later date, which could then cause different chemical reactions again.

this could be beneficial, the differing reactions could taste better, it could be worse, it may taste not as good.

it could be completely indifferent and be fine.

as ever experimentation is the key, just remember just because on paper it sounds fine... Doesn't mean it's going to be in practise

 

[Ment]

I have my ADV nailed down, which consists of a tobacco base and 8 other flavours. As each of these is used at less than 1%, even measuring out quantities for 100ml of liquid is a pain, so I've made up a mix of 40ml and use 5ml of this in each 100ml.

 

[EssexBoy]

I have my ADV nailed down, which consists of a tobacco base and 8 other flavours. As each of these is used at less than 1%, even measuring out quantities for 100ml of liquid is a pain, so I've made up a mix of 40ml and use 5ml of this in each 100ml.

I'm looking for a good tobacco base. Would you care to divulge??


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[Ment]

I'm looking for a good tobacco base. Would you care to divulge??


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Totally Wicked American Red. I know TW is frowned upon round here but it's the only one I've found that doesn't taste of ashtrays. It's not great on it's own but combines really well with other concentrates, and TW's concentrates are very cheap when they're discounted.