The Alternative Method of Blending Concentrates.

[Chegs]

I'm looking for a good tobacco base. Would you care to divulge??

If you buy some (cheap) tobacco leaf,and chop it up into fine pieces,measure out about 25 ml of PG/VG (PG easiest as VG gloopy) in a glass jar,pan filled with water & brought to boil,PG+leaf in glass jar and stirred whilst in the hot water,results in an extremely nice tobacco concentrate.

The site I buy my tobacco leaf from does 5x20g of any of their large range of tobacco leaf for £13 ish. This gives you enough leaf tobacco to create a good few ml of concentrates,which you can then experiment with mixing them to create even more variations on the tobacco concentrate range. They also do cigar leaf(to roll your own cigars)if you wanted,which I'm unsure of whether the cigar leaf could also be used to create a concentrate for a cigar juice.

Whole Leaf Tobacco Only - Home page

I'm trying to decide what tobacco to try next order

 

[BD1]

The difference is also in chemical reactions

when we mix flavours, nic, etc we are creating various chemical reactions.

chemical reactions can differ and alter (which ultimately means the the flavour can be different) when one or more of the usual ingredient is removed from the equation.

ie : mixing custard and banana and caramel in with VG,pG and nic "could cause a slightly different chemical reaction to mixing them together without the bases and then adding the bases at a later date, which could then cause different chemical reactions again.

this could be beneficial, the differing reactions could taste better, it could be worse, it may taste not as good.

it could be completely indifferent and be fine.

as ever experimentation is the key, just remember just because on paper it sounds fine... Doesn't mean it's going to be in practise

I didn't want to complicate things too much in my post, but yeah, with commercial mixing and things complex like manabush i can imagine you might do things like mixing up your nic and tobacco base and then steeping it for a period of time before you add anything else, then standing on one leg with one eye shut and chanting some magic words as you add the next ingredient

Or something to that effect

 

[Fleabag]

I do this for my buttered rum, because I now have this recipe just as I like it. All others are blended as I go along, because I may be tweaking the recipe a bit

 

[Styx]

Think I must be doing diy wrong but I make each concentrate separately, then add certain amounts of each together to make the flavour I'm after. I just make a note then of how many ml of each flavour needs to be used to make 10ml, 20ml and 50ml of that flavour.
Working out how much I need when flavour 1 recommended %age is 15%, flavour 2 on its own should be 7% flavour 3 needing 12% when at its own etc etc etc, that just seems too much faff to work out

 

[Chegs]

Think I must be doing diy wrong but I make each concentrate separately, then add certain amounts of each together to make the flavour I'm after. I just make a note then of how many ml of each flavour needs to be used to make 10ml, 20ml and 50ml of that flavour.
Working out how much I need when flavour 1 recommended %age is 15%, flavour 2 on its own should be 7% flavour 3 needing 12% when at its own etc etc etc, that just seems too much faff to work out

I am a huge advocate for the K.I.S.S principle,few drops of a concentrate added to a 50/50 PG/VG 2 ml in a tub,add another couple drops of different flavour,taste,add next flavour & taste etc.This method means IF the result of adding flavour 2,3 etc makes it vile the waste is minimal.

Converting drops to percentages requires a couple of taste tests,when I can taste the abundance/lack of a flavour & adjust accordingly,once converted to all percentages a 10 ml bottle is produced with nic added too,vaped straight from the mixing bowl & if it isn't quite as it should be,stuffed in a drawer for a steep.

There aren't that many juices I've created from imagination,I tend to go "clone recipe" hunting or read/listen to a juice review where they say they can taste "citrus/menthol" or whatever & this is where I require the services of the little tub & a couple ml of PG/VG.My take on Snake Oil(despite never tasting the real juice)was by guessing the ingredient percentages+a clone recipe(which was where I discovered that there are 2 types of Snake Oil,USA & UK versions)& I actually prefer the UK version(which is all guesswork)to the USA version(clone recipe)

I've also noticed how over time,my tastes have changed.I switched to vaping & avoided tobacco flavours staying with fruits,menthols etc but a year later,I find myself now creating concentrates from tobacco & mixing these with just about my entire collection of other concentrates before deciding that there aren't that many other concentrates still taste vapable once tobacco is added.Caramel & Butterscotch (though tasting reasonably similar individually) when tobacco is added,the Butterscotch tasted like the vile "morning after" vomit in the back of the throat,but Caramel+tobacco was so nice,the 10 ml I mixed vanished in 1 day.

Nowadays,I find myself changing flavours several times per day whereas I used to stay with a flavour until the bottle was finished,as I'm bored with custard/banana & variations of these,fruits have to have a mystery taste or I'll not even vape an RDA worth.I have close to 100 recipes now on my phone,yet rarely mix them as they just don't give any satisfaction.There are some exceptions though,Honey+Cream was taken out the steeping drawer & placed ready to go in the trash a week or so ago(I need to build up to binning things as I despise waste)but yesterday,I needed a juice to soak the wicks of a different type of coil(only slight change to the ohms)so grabbed the Honey+Cream.The flavour was really nice,& gives me great satisfaction(as the 10 ml still has about 5 ml even though I've also been using it all today)so it has been saved(steeping since 16.7.14)and I'm going to be mixing another bottle sometime soon.