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[TheLiqidator]

You are of course having a giraffe here.

Have I got you right here.
You are saying that the UK government should take notice of what Nicola Sturgeon, and her advisors are saying.
When all the time Sturgeon has been not only ignoring the UK government, but actively doing the opposite of it's advice.
Your'e funny, ever thought of getting a job as a comedian.

No you've got me completely wrong there, must be your turn to make assumptions then. I was referring to SAGE advising it as an option. If their job is to advise them and they don't even consider their advice on closing them then what's the point on having them.

You seem to think I'm pro Sturgeon, I'm not. There's been as many mistakes made here as there have been uk wide and if anything I think there should be a more unified approach. It just leads to confusion and people questioning the differences.

 

[ObiWanVaponi]

Now you are just making assumptions are you not.

You assume that when I go to the pub I sit inside with people from more than two households, and that if I sit outside I am with people from more than six households.

Not true mate.
Here's last week.
Monday, sat inside with one other household.
Wednesday, sat inside with one other household.
Friday, sat inside with one other household.
Saturday, sat outside with three other households.

I can hardly remember this, seeing as it was posted nearly a week ago, but I'm not assuming anything - thats a quote from the gov website.
We could be forgiven for assuming you sit with all your mates all the time though, seeing as you said this:

My "bubble" consists of one to six people, we sit in a corner by ourselves as much as possible.
We have all known each other for between two, and fifty years.
Our careers range from shopworker's, ex military, to local authority employees.
Our partners careers range from construction to Nurses.

 

[Badboybez]

No you've got me completely wrong there, must be your turn to make assumptions then. I was referring to SAGE advising it as an option. If their job is to advise them and they don't even consider their advice on closing them then what's the point on having them.

You seem to think I'm pro Sturgeon, I'm not. There's been as many mistakes made here as there have been uk wide and if anything I think there should be a more unified approach. It just leads to confusion and people questioning the differences.

But I was replying to your post that directed myself to a tv programme.
The discussion we had been having, at one point I questioned who was the government spokesman, and you told me which programme it was on.
But it was not a government spokesman, as you have just concurred it was a member of SAGE.

Sorry, but a person from SAGE voicing his own opinions on a TV show is not a government spokesperson, that would be a cabinet member.

SAGE is an advisory body, that rarely has a definitive consensus across its own members.
The government has many such "advisory groups" such as PHE, WHO, for virus information.
They will also take advice from the "economic advisors" such as the Bank Of England.
And many other advisory bodies.

But at the end of the day they are all advisors, not government spokesmen, whatever they say to the media is their own view, not government policy.

They are advisors, te government (mainly the cabinet members) will listen to all their advisory groups, and weigh up all their advice.
But, the important thing is they are all advisors, the government may, or may not, implement every aspect of one particular bodies advice.

 

[Badboybez]

I can hardly remember this, seeing as it was posted nearly a week ago, but I'm not assuming anything - thats a quote from the gov website.
We could be forgiven for assuming you sit with all your mates all the time though, seeing as you said this:

No, mate.
What I actually said was this (correctly copied by yourself)

"My "bubble" consists of one to six people, we sit in a corner by ourselves as much as possible."

So you were assuming that we all sat together inside.
See all I said was that we all sit at a corner table.
Now this pub (one of the two I currently use) has two corner tables, one on the left inside as you enter the building (nice one actually it has one of those big slow ceiling fans above it, great at the moment) and one outside, which is also in the corner of the garden, top right hand side if you are interested, as that is the only table outside that can comfortably accommodate six people.

 

[ObiWanVaponi]

No, mate.
What I actually said was this (correctly copied by yourself)

"My "bubble" consists of one to six people, we sit in a corner by ourselves as much as possible."

So you were assuming that we all sat together inside.
See all I said was that we all sit at a corner table.

"we all sit at a table together"
You have said it again.
Make your mind up

 

[TheLiqidator]

But I was replying to your post that directed myself to a tv programme.
The discussion we had been having, at one point I questioned who was the government spokesman, and you told me which programme it was on.
But it was not a government spokesman, as you have just concurred it was a member of SAGE.

Sorry, but a person from SAGE voicing his own opinions on a TV show is not a government spokesperson, that would be a cabinet member.

SAGE is an advisory body, that rarely has a definitive consensus across its own members.
The government has many such "advisory groups" such as PHE, WHO, for virus information.
They will also take advice from the "economic advisors" such as the Bank Of England.
And many other advisory bodies.

But at the end of the day they are all advisors, not government spokesmen, whatever they say to the media is their own view, not government policy.

They are advisors, te government (mainly the cabinet members) will listen to all their advisory groups, and weigh up all their advice.
But, the important thing is they are all advisors, the government may, or may not, implement every aspect of one particular bodies advice.

The message you replied to was where I had said they had been advised that the may need to close pubs. That would mean it was advise given to them by an advisor.

 

[zouzounaki]

the pubs will likely shut again, and ye’ll just need tae like it.

 

[TheLiqidator]

the pubs will likely shut again, and ye’ll just need tae like it.

That's plenty.....

On yur way......

 

[Badboybez]

"we all sit at a table together"
You have said it again.
Make your mind up

I will say it again, as in post #174

"So you were assuming that we all sat together inside.
See all I said was that we all sit at a corner table.
Now this pub (one of the two I currently use) has two corner tables, one on the left inside as you enter the building (nice one actually it has one of those big slow ceiling fans above it, great at the moment) and one outside, which is also in the corner of the garden, top right hand side if you are interested, as that is the only table outside that can comfortably accommodate six people."

Why is it that you do not seem to wish to acknowledge that it is not against government rules for six people to sit together in a pub garden.

Or is it against ObiWan regulations ?

As you seem to be a fountain of all knowledge in these matters could you possibly shed some light on this conundrum ?
One of my friends, and I are sitting at the inside corner table, all fine, only two households.
But then one of the barmaids comes, and sits with us for a five minute rest, does that mean there are now three households sitting together, or does she not count as she is working ?

 

[Badboybez]

The message you replied to was where I had said they had been advised that the may need to close pubs. That would mean it was advise given to them by an advisor.

Okay, lets review this so far.
There was a tv programme on last week.
In this a question was raised about pubs being open / remaining open.
The answer from one panelist (a member of an advisory body) was that pubs may have to close again in the future.

Those are the only definite facts from the programme.

Anything else is pure speculation.
A person in this scenario is simply a member of an advisory group, his answer on the programme may not even be the policy of his group, but simply his own opinion.

At this stage it is definitely not government policy, other than as they have already stated as part of a local temporary lockdown.

Below is an extract from The Sun Newspaper, from back in May, on an article explaining who, and what SAGE is.

Does the government have to follow SAGE's advice?

No, SAGE isn't a decision making body, but their advice is respected.

While ministers can do what they like within reason, they have other mitigating factors to consider, like financial, political, social, global and practical restraints.