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[ObiWanVaponi]

I will say it again, as in post #174

"So you were assuming that we all sat together inside.
See all I said was that we all sit at a corner table.
Now this pub (one of the two I currently use) has two corner tables, one on the left inside as you enter the building (nice one actually it has one of those big slow ceiling fans above it, great at the moment) and one outside, which is also in the corner of the garden, top right hand side if you are interested, as that is the only table outside that can comfortably accommodate six people."

Why is it that you do not seem to wish to acknowledge that it is not against government rules for six people to sit together in a pub garden.

Or is it against ObiWan regulations ?

As you seem to be a fountain of all knowledge in these matters could you possibly shed some light on this conundrum ?
One of my friends, and I are sitting at the inside corner table, all fine, only two households.
But then one of the barmaids comes, and sits with us for a five minute rest, does that mean there are now three households sitting together, or does she not count as she is working ?

Yesterday was the first time you mentioned anything about sitting outside or the pub garden. Your original question was this:

Whilst I'm at it, why do I have to give my details in a pub, but not in a bloody shop, which has far more customers than a pub every day, and I don't know a single one of them.

So of course I have been using a like-for-like example.

And yes, if the staff member joins you it is now three households and against the regs (unless outside). She should also be wearing a mask or visor, and the bar itself should have perspex (or similar) shields.
And of course, depending on the brewery or landlord, she may not be allowed to spend her break with customers in the first place, but thats nothing to do with Covid 19.

 

[TheLiqidator]

Okay, lets review this so far.
There was a tv programme on last week.
In this a question was raised about pubs being open / remaining open.
The answer from one panelist (a member of an advisory body) was that pubs may have to close again in the future.

Those are the only definite facts from the programme.

Anything else is pure speculation.
A person in this scenario is simply a member of an advisory group, his answer on the programme may not even be the policy of his group, but simply his own opinion.

At this stage it is definitely not government policy, other than as they have already stated as part of a local temporary lockdown.

Below is an extract from The Sun Newspaper, from back in May, on an article explaining who, and what SAGE is.

Does the government have to follow SAGE's advice?

No, SAGE isn't a decision making body, but their advice is respected.

While ministers can do what they like within reason, they have other mitigating factors to consider, like financial, political, social, global and practical restraints.

It's been been speculated and written about a lot more than once. If they hadn't cancelled the daily briefings and had a bit more transparency then maybe they could have negated the need for any speculation like this.

The only reason it's being speculated is that it is a very valid option. The reason they haven't done it already isn't that it's not a sensible thing to do, it's been an economic decision to open them and keep them open. If the numbers keep increasing they will have to close them again.

Look at most times lockdown was reviewed, remember what was speculated before that and the fact that the announcements they made were basically just conformation that everything that had been speculated was what they were doing.

I don't want them to have to do it bit of it comes to it where they should be doing it again, which is looking likely then it has to be done.

 

[Badboybez]

It's been been speculated and written about a lot more than once. If they hadn't cancelled the daily briefings and had a bit more transparency then maybe they could have negated the need for any speculation like this.

To be honest I was getting sick of the "daily updates" that went on for an hour or so.
Add to that, the preparation for each one, must have taken the cabinet, advisors, video feeds, tv crews, and security guys several hours each day to get everything ready.
For what, the same thing everyday, same old, same old.
Nicola Sturgeons daily updates have become just that, stale, how many people have died, etc.

The only reason it's being speculated is that it is a very valid option. The reason they haven't done it already isn't that it's not a sensible thing to do, it's been an economic decision to open them and keep them open. If the numbers keep increasing they will have to close them again.

Most of that I agree with, yes it's being speculated, but the media will always speculate (including advisors) as that is how they make their money.
Yes if numbers keep increasing they will have to close again, but everyone seems to "bash the pubs" at the moment, blaming them, what about all the other business's that opened around the same time............Interesting in the news today said that that the majority of new cases were being passed around at home.

Look at most times lockdown was reviewed, remember what was speculated before that and the fact that the announcements they made were basically just conformation that everything that had been speculated was what they were doing.

Equally, it could be said that there were as many speculated things that were not implemented.

I don't want them to have to do it bit of it comes to it where they should be doing it again, which is looking likely then it has to be done.

Agreed, neither yourself, or myself would like to see pubs close again, but if needs must then it would have to be done.
But, as several other business's opened around the same time (clothes shops, book shops, etc) then logically they would have to close as well, so would some manufacturing.

At the end of the day, whatever news it is from wherever in the world it is, I find it most annoying when anyone says "a spokesperson said" with a little scratching under the surface it turns out that they are not a spokesperson, merely someone on tv, or in a paper expressing their own opinion.
Our opinion @TheLiqidator and @Badboybez is jut as valid as theirs, it's simply a case of they have a gain, monetary, or notoriety, wheras we get nothing for chucking our two peneth in.
Lets leave it at that.

 

[Badboybez]

Yesterday was the first time you mentioned anything about sitting outside or the pub garden. Your original question was this:

Keep up to speed mate, that was on Monday your post was on Wednesday, did your mnd go blank for a day ?
I had intimated it previously as well.

And yes, if the staff member joins you it is now three households and against the regs (unless outside). She should also be wearing a mask or visor, and the bar itself should have perspex (or similar) shields.
And of course, depending on the brewery or landlord, she may not be allowed to spend her break with customers in the first place, but thats nothing to do with Covid 19.

Boy you must frequent some swanky places if they are all decked out with perspex, and all the staff wear face shields.

The places I use don't, but don't forget they have all been inspected by the relevant local authorities, and are deemed to have complied as "best as is practicable" following government regulations.
Might be good to read everything that is available on the government website regarding Hospitality venues, & Covid secure venues.
I did post it here before, but presumably you did not bother to read it.

And of course, depending on the brewery or landlord, she may not be allowed to spend her break with customers in the first place, but thats nothing to do with Covid 19.

Of course you are right, that has bugger all to do with Covid.
But the rules you have said about that are simply not true, maybe you should also brush up on employment regulations (including the shiftwork / unsociable hours) as well.

 

[ObiWanVaponi]

Keep up to speed mate, that was on Monday your post was on Wednesday, did your mnd go blank for a day ?
I had intimated it previously as well.



Boy you must frequent some swanky places if they are all decked out with perspex, and all the staff wear face shields.

The places I use don't, but don't forget they have all been inspected by the relevant local authorities, and are deemed to have complied as "best as is practicable" following government regulations.
Might be good to read everything that is available on the government website regarding Hospitality venues, & Covid secure venues.
I did post it here before, but presumably you did not bother to read it.



Of course you are right, that has bugger all to do with Covid.
But the rules you have said about that are simply not true, maybe you should also brush up on employment regulations (including the shiftwork / unsociable hours) as well.

I have no interest in this weird nit-picking argument you keep trying to start. You asked a question and I answered it 12 days ago.

 

[Crewella]

This seems to make sense .......... good for Wales.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53752715

 

[TheLiqidator]

This seems to make sense .......... good for Wales.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53752715

Me and my misses were just saying last night that it should come up NHS track and trace when they call.

 

[Badboybez]

I have no interest in this weird nit-picking argument you keep trying to start. You asked a question and I answered it 12 days ago.

Not completely true is it.
You edited a post I made to @Crewella choosing to answer just one aspect of it.

Your reply was post #122.

Which had at least one flawed assumption, and one incorrect term.
So why should I not question that post myself.

It could also be said that you were "nit-picking" because my outlook on life, and opinions are not the same as yours.

However, I do respect your wish to no longer having an interest in this subject.
It has become tiring to myself replying to your attempts at debate / discussion.

In the gentleman's way of speaking "good day to you sir"