you said sometimes you just turn it upside down but you need to do it every few puffs as the coil is at the top so no way of getting juice on it without continuously turning it upside down.@MrDJ i have been doing that, i mentioned it in my first post, it was ok for the first hour or so, then i left it 10 minutes and it's been a load of bollox since, the actual mod is ok and it was only £13 quid all in so not losing anything by binning the tank.