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just got in from work

saw the figures earlier what a screw up second highest in the world for such a small island nation 30k deaths 6k cases but I read we are past peak am I missing something here
 
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According to GMTV this morning the total figure accross all 4 UK nations stands at 32,375 as of May 5th.
This includes among the confirmed cases those where Covid was also mentioned on the death certificate as a contributing factor.

It would be interesting to see the figures of those who have passed away who only had the covid 19 symptoms, not any other illness that covid 19 is also mentioned on the death certificate as another illness may have been the main factor of the death.
I was listening to some dr on the radio who was saying that some other illnesses death rates have fallen and he believes it is because these deaths have been recorded as covid 19 deaths, where he believes that the covid 19 was not the cause of death.
What ever happens we will need a big report on why the uk has had so many deaths, be it a slow reacting government or not having the correct information given to the government, as any death is too much in these days and times.

This is quite damning:

‘Complacent’ UK draws global criticism for Covid-19 response:

Opinion writers from Italy to Australia attack ‘stupidity’ and label Boris Johnson incompetent.


From Italy to Australia, critics have accused a “complacent” British government of “massively underestimating” the gravity of the coronavirus crisis after the UK reported the highest death toll in Europe.

While Rai Uno, the Italian state broadcaster’s flagship channel, gave prominent play to the news that Britain had recorded “more than 32,000 deaths, the highest total in Europe exceeding even Italy”, the Corriere della Serra daily went a good way further.

The situation in the UK was “like a nightmare from which you cannot awake, but in which you landed because of your own fault or stupidity”, the influential liberal-conservative paper said, adding that Britain seemed “a prisoner of itself”.

The country that was “the most reluctant in Europe to impose a lockdown has become the most cautious to start reopening”, with public opinion frightened of the consequences and Boris Johnson eager to avoid breaking Italy’s “sad record”.

Experts have warned against direct international comparisons of Covid-19 death tolls, saying different counting methods and many other factors make such exercises unreliable and it may take months if not years to draw firm conclusions.

However, Beppe Severgnini, an opinion writer on Corriere della Sera, said it seemed clear Britain had “lost the advantage that fate and Italy gave it – for example, the first two weeks of the outbreak in Italy when it was obvious the virus was spreading”.

The British government “did not pay enough attention to what was happening here, while Germany responded very well”, Severgnini said. “The two great British virtues – understatement and grace under fire – have turned out to not be a blessing.”

He said the UK was served neither by “a very weak cabinet” nor Johnson’s character: “He’s not Trump, though there is something similar in their approaches, but in this kind of challenge you need to really work hard on details. He’s not a details person.”

Beyond Italy – where the Covid-19 death toll, which does not include suspected cases, is just over 29,000 – German commentators were also critical. Britain has emerged as Europe’s “problem child” of the Covid-19 crisis, the DPA news agency’s London correspondent Christoph Meyer wrote.

“Only a few weeks ago, Britain had the reputation of a country in which the coronavirus was only spreading cautiously,” Meyer wrote in an opinion piece published in several newspapers in Germany and Austria.

“Politicians were already slapping each other on their backs and praising the health system, which was better prepared for the pandemic than any other country in the world. But that has quickly revealed itself to be a fallacy … There are now many signs that the government in London massively underestimated the pandemic.”

In a piece this week drawing on the British prime minister’s frequent deployment of classical allusions, the London correspondent of Spain’s left-leaning El País queried suggestions that the prime minister was some latter-day Odysseus.

“The conservative press tries to present Johnson as a man of reborn wisdom”, whose experience of Covid-19 had led him to “lash himself to the mast to resist the siren calls” of those demanding the lockdown be lifted soon, wrote Rafa de Miguel.

“In fact, it’s far from clear whether such determination is the fruit of careful calculation – or the result of simply closing one’s eyes when there’s no other option.”

Officials in Greece, which has been widely praised for its handling of the pandemic, have watched London’s handling of the crisis with disbelief, with epidemiologists also criticising the UK government’s initial embrace of a “herd immunity” policy.

The progressive daily Ethnos described Johnson as “more dangerous than coronavirus”, saying one of the crisis’s greatest tragedies was that “incompetent leaders” such as Johnson and Donald Trump were “at the helm at a time of such emergency”.

Before changing tack, Johnson “had gone out and essentially asked Britons … to accept death”, wrote the columnist Giorgos Skafidas.

Irish commentators also expressed dismay at the UK’s record. “Ministers of slim talent have bumbled through daily briefings and now big business-Conservative donors are impatient to reverse a shutdown so contrary to Brexiteer dreams,” Fionnuala O’Connor wrote in the broadly nationalist Irish News.

“Boris Johnson needs all his showman’s tricks now to sell the phasing out of a lockdown which was less than effective, at least in part, because of his stubborn libertarianism.”

Outside Europe, criticism has been strongest in Australia and New Zealand, both of which imposed strict, early lockdowns and have contained their outbreaks. Scott Morrison, the Australian prime minister, said no country that had pursued herd immunity had achieved it, describing the strategy as a “death sentence”.

David Hunter, an Australian-educated professor of epidemiology and medicine at Oxford University, told the conservative Sydney Morning Herald the British response was “not a model to follow. It has one of the worst epidemics in Europe and the world … Some aspects of the response have almost certainly contributed to the high mortality”.

Hunter particularly criticised the British decision – in contrast to Australia and New Zealand – not to close its borders early. Mike Rann, a former Australian high commissioner to Britain, told the paper Britain had “handled the earliest stages negligently”, lamenting “a shambles of mixed messaging, poor organisation and a complacent attitude that what was happening in Italy wouldn’t happen here”.

A UK government spokesperson said: “This is an unprecedented global pandemic and we have taken the right steps at the right time to combat it, guided by the best scientific advice.

“The government has been working day and night to battle coronavirus, delivering a strategy designed to protect our NHS and save lives. Herd immunity has never been a policy or goal.”


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...criticism-for-covid-19-response-boris-johnson

just got in from work

saw the figures earlier what a screw up second highest in the world for such a small island nation 30k deaths 6k cases but I read we are past peak am I missing something here

In my opinion he problem with the figures, and graphs that are now shown on the televised daily update from number 10 is that the data keeps being added to, for example the graph showing number of new cases confirmed is rising continually, but it will, because the number of people being tested is increasing daily.
The number of daily deaths seems to be falling, but with spikes on a Monday morning because the data used to compile it is not accurate over the weekend, which is why the graph is now overlaid with a rolling weekly update, which does show a decline.
The graph showing amount of people travelling, (again in my opinion) is a bit of a joke, yeah whoop whoo, rail, and bus travel has declined sharply, and is running at a low level, but then again, it will if all travel is using "sunday timetables" so only running half as many services, car travel drops at the weekends, well that is logical because some people still have to go to work.
The number of deaths daily is falling according to the data, but as @tanglewood has picked up on, how many of these deaths can be directly associated to covid ???, one of the health, or scientific experts on the daily updates said that it would be up to two years to extract that from the current figures.
Yes, I fully agree that 30, 000 deaths is horrendous, but in 2008 13.000 people died in the UK from normal "winter flu", and in many years since it has been in the region of 10,000 per year.
Also the figures of total deaths where the media is giving much hype to the fact that we now have a high death toll than Italy is a little distorted, as Italy has a lower population than the UK, so the death toll here is logical to be higher.
The only way to compare total death rate by country is to show the figure as a percentage of population, by giving death rate per 100K of population, and that only works if the recorded deaths are determined exactly the same way in each country.
Considering that as in some countries their "lockdown" procedure resulted in no one going to work, and could hardly leave their homes, For example in Israel it was reported that people could not even go food shopping unless the shop was within 1000 metres of their home, how the hell would that have worked here ?
As I said 30K deaths is terrible, but at the moment I think we have faired quite well in comparison to other countries, especially if we knew the true rate of deaths to covid, rather than everything lumped together.
 
In my opinion , The reason for such a high death rate in the uk are :-

The government are incompetent twats

The UK is way over crowded

Almost every death is possibly being blamed on covid-19.

The government are incompetent twats.

People are still going out like nothing is happening.

The government are incompetent twats.


There may be other reasons !
 
In my opinion he problem with the figures, and graphs that are now shown on the televised daily update from number 10 is that the data keeps being added to, for example the graph showing number of new cases confirmed is rising continually, but it will, because the number of people being tested is increasing daily.
The number of daily deaths seems to be falling, but with spikes on a Monday morning because the data used to compile it is not accurate over the weekend, which is why the graph is now overlaid with a rolling weekly update, which does show a decline.
The graph showing amount of people travelling, (again in my opinion) is a bit of a joke, yeah whoop whoo, rail, and bus travel has declined sharply, and is running at a low level, but then again, it will if all travel is using "sunday timetables" so only running half as many services, car travel drops at the weekends, well that is logical because some people still have to go to work.
The number of deaths daily is falling according to the data, but as @tanglewood has picked up on, how many of these deaths can be directly associated to covid ???, one of the health, or scientific experts on the daily updates said that it would be up to two years to extract that from the current figures.
Yes, I fully agree that 30, 000 deaths is horrendous, but in 2008 13.000 people died in the UK from normal "winter flu", and in many years since it has been in the region of 10,000 per year.
Also the figures of total deaths where the media is giving much hype to the fact that we now have a high death toll than Italy is a little distorted, as Italy has a lower population than the UK, so the death toll here is logical to be higher.
The only way to compare total death rate by country is to show the figure as a percentage of population, by giving death rate per 100K of population, and that only works if the recorded deaths are determined exactly the same way in each country.
Considering that as in some countries their "lockdown" procedure resulted in no one going to work, and could hardly leave their homes, For example in Israel it was reported that people could not even go food shopping unless the shop was within 1000 metres of their home, how the hell would that have worked here ?
As I said 30K deaths is terrible, but at the moment I think we have faired quite well in comparison to other countries, especially if we knew the true rate of deaths to covid, rather than everything lumped together.
All of what you've said here is old news and has been discussed here already.
None of what you've said is questionable and all is true.
 
Another strange anomaly, why is England the only part of the UK that is giving no figures on those that have survived after entering hospital, all the others do, the same as they did for weeks before on the deaths in the community.

I emailed Worldmeters weeks ago as the deaths started climbing, and the percentage of deaths at that point was a mind boggling 92% , and then pow! Disappeared and still not available to date.. ie recovered. patients
 
Another strange anomaly, why is England the only part of the UK that is giving no figures on those that have survived after entering hospital, all the others do, the same as they did for weeks before on the deaths in the community.

I emailed Worldmeters weeks ago as the deaths started climbing, and the percentage of deaths at that point was a mind boggling 92% , and then pow! Disappeared and still not available to date.. ie recovered. patients
The Netherlands also does not record recovered patients. For both, most still seem to be recorded as 'active cases' on Worldometers.
 
Another strange anomaly, why is England the only part of the UK that is giving no figures on those that have survived after entering hospital, all the others do, the same as they did for weeks before on the deaths in the community.

I emailed Worldmeters weeks ago as the deaths started climbing, and the percentage of deaths at that point was a mind boggling 92% , and then pow! Disappeared and still not available to date.. ie recovered. patients
Maybe thats why they're applauding them as they leave cos they're so few and far between.
Only joking and i hope thats not the case.
 
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