Dafuq happened here then? This thread’s a train wreck :5:

[Mitz]

And saying covid is no more deadly than other viruses life flu is just total BS. Flu has a mortality rate of around 0.1% whereas covid is estimated at 1.4%. Only 14 x higher.

 

[HAZZA1962]

Lethal = sufficient to cause death.
Covid-19 can cause death but not in the majority of cases so IMO it can't be classed as lethal.

Deadly Disease Is also a favourite quote used by the Media when ramping up the fear factor at every available opportunity !!! or at least it was, I'm not sure what's being said now, as I haven't watched the news or current affairs for about six months, I am restricting myself to Sports, Films and Boxsets !!!

 

[mick brown]

Deadly Disease Is also a favourite quote used by the Media when ramping up the fear factor at every available opportunity !!! or at least it was, I'm not sure what's being said now, as I haven't watched the news or current affairs for about six months, I am restricting myself to Sports, Films and Boxsets !!!

Don't blame you. I try not to watch the news too often. Bunch of over reacting drama queens most of them.

 

[crustyfolker]

It seems as though you don't trust anyone apart from the scientists.

Don't forget they are not elected by the population, and have no one to answer to.
Also it is in their own interest to keep the whole saga running along, because if cases drop, they are then expendable, and will lose their head spinning salaries which in the case of Valance, and Whitty are £200,000 a year each................................[/QUO

Scientists have more of a clue than that idiot who people voted for, He stutters because he is listening to someone giving him the words to say. Boris and his cronies do not live in the real world. £200'000 a year is peanuts when you can earn twice that a week for kicking a bag of wind round a pitch. Plus he loses 50% tax on that 200K.
There is more to all this than folks know i feel. But once it is all over we will see a return to life with rules that where put in place for Covid Not removed, folks will really have to scrape by, they won't afford brand named clothes, luxury items etc as the tax man will take more of folks pay away to repay the borrowing during the Covid period. As said something isn't right, there's corruption involved no doubt

 

[Car147]

Exactly, applying morality.

So the hundreds of businesses that go under who are owned by people younger than 80, is that just a fair trade? People who have been evicted because 80% doesn't pay the rent? All the people in the heightened suicide lists, the older generations as well who are left isolated this year and having nowhere to turn, is that a fair trade?

The point is, if you focus on simply the deaths from covid you ignore about 90% of the effects of covid and many of those on the receiving end of such effects could have ramifications for years which is out of their control.

You focus on the very specific thing and you ignore the reality instead. Many people have been abandoned these past 9 months and have lost so much. The sheer amount of people who haven't got access to healthcare as a result of lockdowns, and wont do for months yet. These are ignored because 'we must protect the elderly'. Yes we should protect the elderly and the vunerable and we are now vaccinating those people are priority. Doesn't change the fact that the effects of covid are much more wide spread and are often ignore dwith viewpoints such as yours.

This isn't importance and value on life, that is you applying morality. It is taking the data and building a realistic picture, which given the vast amount of effects from covid is just dismissed as not so important. No-one is advocating their life meaning less, hence the priority on vaccinating them first. It hasn't changed the lockdowns and tier systems and masks and all the rest of it. Not sure where you get the 0-100 mph straight to value on life. What i say is the truth, it is in the data of the pandemic, not the tabloid spun fear aspect.

So how lethal covid is? Not very lethal specifically, in fact no more lethal than other existing viruses. This is again fact based on the data of it, no morality, simple facts from the data.

But here is a morality of this to pose to you, is a business shutting down a worthy price to pay when many of the age groups who we are protecting are not staying in and shielding? Who are going the pub and to other houses? We aren't protecting old people, so not 16 million as you say. We are protecting a very specific group of people and within the next month or so, they will all be vaccinated for the virus. The risk of covid will significantly drop and we will then be locking down for absolutely nothing.

Tell that to the families of the 744 who died today, we all know your idea, just thank fuck nobody listens to you... Oh, and Arthritis is being counted as underlaying health conditions... really?

 

[Enoch]

Ignore reality? Again, YOUR reality. Nobody is ignoring the 90% that's just utter rubbish. And virtually every country other than Sweden has been in lockdown with Europe as a whole in repeat lockdowns so it would seem it's a view shared globally by almost every country.

You're arguing that lockdowns will be unnecessary after people are vaccinated. Well they're not vaccinated yet so what's your point? Who's arguing for lockdown post vaccination? You're very good at strawman arguments.

Governments have spent vast sums trying to mitigate against the effects of the lockdown. Nothing is being ignored. And nobody if focusing only on the deaths. Your view seems to be the dead and at risk don't matter because they're old and sick. If that's how you feel - have at it.

Seems like you are arguing against yourself at this point fella

I haven't said any of this, you just seem to be jumping to a very quick conclusion and repeating yourself.

Like I said before we are poles apart. My opinion is based on the actual data of the last 9 months.

 

[HAZZA1962]

Tell that to the families of the 744 who died today, we all know your idea, just thank fuck nobody listens to you... Oh, and Arthritis is being counted as underlaying health conditions... really?

The problem is mate, while they are still announcing the Death rates, with the disclaimer, "Died within 28 days of a positive Covid-19 Test" we're never going to have an idea of how many people have actually died as a direct result of the Virus !!! I don't know how they get away with it, you either died of Covid or you didn't !!!

 

[Enoch]

Tell that to the families of the 744 who died today, we all know your idea, just thank fuck nobody listens to you... Oh, and Arthritis is being counted as underlaying health conditions... really?

Sorry to correct you but 745 didn't die today. The numbers can spread days/weeks/months ago , it is quite misleading to say today in the news because that is not true at all.

Arthritis isn't being counted. Serious respiratory / diabetes / cardiac issues , dementia etc are being counted. Really have no idea where you get arthritis from as I haven't seen that mentioned in any article but would love to read up on it if you can source me .

Within weeks the risk of covid drops by 95%, that is again a fact. Once the people who at risk of dying from covid are not at risk anymore , then there is very little risk involved.

You say thank fuck noone listens to me but what do you think the government make their decisions on? Data and raw data. My opinion sources from the same place as the decisions there comes from. When restrictions stop , that's because the risk of death has gone, no matter if people on the internet are concerned about the risk still.

 

[Enoch]

The problem is mate, while they are still announcing the Death rates, with the disclaimer, "Died within 28 days of a positive Covid-19 Test" we're never going to have an idea of how many people have actually died as a direct result of the Virus !!! I don't know how they get away with it, you either died of Covid or you didn't !!!

On Monday they reported 192 died after testing positive. 9 died without it.

Not being funny like but when thousands die every week, 9 is very low for the multitude of different ways people die.

What we do know is thousands have died since march , that restrictions have had to be put in place and we have had to protect and then prioritise vaccinating those affected. We know what the age groups are , we know the reasons why and we know to some extent how as well.

I've always maintained that the number is smaller than reported for that reason , tested positive rather than died of. I've seen people online try to connect everything to covid whether it's heart failure or something along those lines.

There is a reality in the country (and worldwide) that certain age groups are at risk and the rest aren't. Most of the media coverage is based around scaring people. This new (or 2 now) strains is to scare people. Covid has mutated multiple times this year.

 

["Misfit"]

Mutant strains and new mutant strains is all i'm hearing in the news.
I wish the media would stop pushing out their project fear.