Dafuq happened here then? This thread’s a train wreck :5:

[mick brown]

It would be nice if people actually took responsibility for themselves and considered the consequences of their actions. Is there a common sense jab that can be given?

It's not just this current situation either @rew. Whenever you see the parliamentary discussions and the like, conservatives and labour at each other's throat. How about thinking what's best for the country instead of just arguing and disagreeing just because the other party came up with something.

 

[SirLugg]

It's not just this current situation either @rew. Whenever you see the parliamentary discussions and the like, conservatives and labour at each other's throat. How about thinking what's best for the country instead of just arguing and disagreeing just because the other party came up with something.

The House of Commons, so called because the inhabitants represented a cross section of society, (the common citizen), could now be no further from the truth.

I get you mate, what you’re trying to say and your opinion, because I’m of the same opinion.

Button up, stop bickering and focus on finding a solution rather than saying ‘ well it wasn’t me, it was xxxxxx fault’.
Tiresome and childish.

 

[mick brown]

Yes, they do mutate, we knew that at the very start, which is partly the point... when we (our gov) accepted we wouldn’t (couldn’t?) prevent the spread, they also accepted the likelihood the original virus would mutate. It was only a matter of time, and luck, as to whether it would become much more deadly. There is a way of stopping mutations: stopping transmission. Look at how South Korea, China, Australia and NZ have almost eradicated it.



No, you’re not the only one feeling like this, I’m not government-bashing here, I was trying to help you understand how viruses mutate. I’m tired of the blame game too.

But seriously can you imagine what the reaction would have been by the general public if the government had said they were going to put us in a 2 month lockdown in march. I mean a proper lockdown, nobody on the streets or work (except essential infrastructure). Do you think most would have obeyed the law ! Some can't even follow the relaxed type of lockdowns we've been having. You'd have needed the army on the streets and that's not what they are for. Not sure of the legal aspects of live rounds being used on civilians.

 

[SirLugg]

Not sure of the legal aspects of live rounds being used on civilians.

Depends on the civilian [emoji3060]

 

[mick brown]

The House of Commons, so called because the inhabitants represented a cross section of society, (the common citizen), could now be no further from the truth.

I get you mate, what you’re trying to say and your opinion, because I’m of the same opinion.

Button up, stop bickering and focus on finding a solution rather than saying ‘ well it wasn’t me, it was xxxxxx fault’.
Tiresome and childish.

Exactly mate. I struggle to make myself understood sometimes on here when just typing a response. I can have a knee jerk reaction at times which doesn't do me any favours [emoji23]
I think you understand what I'm saying though. Great minds and all that [emoji6] [emoji23]

 

[mick brown]

Depends on the civilian [emoji3060]

[emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] If only

 

[Crewella]

This was an interesting angle?

It is also possible, scientists say, that 501Y is already more widespread than thought, but has simply not been detected.

The only way to spot a mutated version of SARS-CoV-2 is to sequence the virus's entire genome, but Denmark and Britain are the only countries in Europe that do so on a routine basis.​

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20201222-scientists-scramble-to-assess-mutated-coronavirus

 

[Mitz]

As I understand it (fully open to being corrected) antigenic drift is inevitable. Mutations can occur every single time a virus replicates. RNA viruses like coronavirus have the potential to mutate an absolute fuck-ton because, unlike DNA, when an RNA virus replicates it does so without bothering to check it has made an accurate copy which leads to mistakes and genetic variation in future copies. These mutations are not intentional - they are mistakes, however, evolution has the clever ability of hanging on to what is advantageous to a species and the things that are not - not so much.

Seeing as mutations can occur every time a virus replicates it's pretty safe to say that potentially anything can happen at any time. With tens of thousands of new infections daily here, hundreds of thousands daily in the US, and God knows how many daily infections globally, this virus was always going to mutate and it has been right from the start. Most mutations are meaningless but occasionally a mutation will occur that has serious ramifications for the hosts - like a change in the spike protein which makes binding to the Ace2 receptor easier causing an increase in the viruses' transmissibility. How a virus is going to mutate and how it will effect us is not something we can control. The only way to stop a virus from mutating is to stop transmissions and kill the virus. Besides Trump, and a very small handful of other cockwombles around the world, that is the primary goal of every country with varying levels of success.

Although we cannot stop the virus from mutating and we cannot decide what effects, if any, that the mutations will have, what we can control is our response to it. And that is something that we can ALL control to a certain extent. If you're not part of the solution then you are part of the problem and the solution needs to be far further reaching than just dealing with this particular pandemic because unless we focus more on our own behaviour both individually and as a species, pandemics of this kind, and worse, are going to become an all too familiar reality.


I think you can blame the government for a lot of things but not for the mutation of this particular coronavirus strain.


TL: DR

Mutations are inevitable and nobody's fault.

 

[SirLugg]

As I understand it (fully open to being corrected) antigenic drift is inevitable. Mutations can occur every single time a virus replicates. RNA viruses like coronavirus have the potential to mutate an absolute fuck-ton because, unlike DNA, when an RNA virus replicates it does so without bothering to check it has made an accurate copy which leads to mistakes and genetic variation in future copies. These mutations are not intentional - they are mistakes, however, evolution has the clever ability of hanging on to what is advantages to a species and the things that are not - not so much.

Seeing as mutations can occur every time a virus replicates it's pretty safe to say that potentially anything can happen at any time. With tens of thousands of new infections daily here, hundreds of thousands daily in the US, and God knows how many daily infections globally, this virus was always going to mutate and it has been right from the start. Most mutations are meaningless but occasionally a mutation will occur that has serious ramifications for the hosts - like a change in the spike protein which makes binding to the Ace2 receptor easier causing an increase in the viruses' transmissibility. How a virus is going to mutate and how it will effect us is not something we can control. The only way to stop a virus from mutating is to stop transmissions and kill the virus. Besides Trump, and a very small handful of other cockwombles around the world, that is the primary goal of every country with varying levels of success.

Although we cannot stop the virus from mutating and we cannot decide what effects, if any, that the mutations will have, what we can control is our response to it. And that is something that we call ALL control to a certain extent. If you're not part of the solution then you are part of the problem and the solution needs to be far further reaching than just dealing with this particular pandemic because unless we focus more on our own behaviour both individually and as a species, pandemics of this kind, and worse, are going to become an all too familiar reality.


I think you can blame the government for a lot of things but not for the mutation of this particular coronavirus strain.

Mate, I love you, always have done, but your posts are huuuuuuuggggggggeeeeee.

Any chance of a tl;dr please?

[emoji3590][emoji41]

 

[Mitz]

Mate, I love you, always have done, but your posts are huuuuuuuggggggggeeeeee.

Any chance of a tl;dr please?

[emoji3590][emoji41]

Not the gov's fault.

Love you too mate. Nice to see you back.