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E-cigs banned from taxis...and St Helens Council workplaces will follow

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How many of you will write to the St Helens Star and St Helens Council about this?


http://www.sthelensstar.co.uk/news/...m_taxis___and_council_workplaces_will_follow/

By Andrew Kilmurray, News editor
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Council chiefs argue it would be unfair to expect drivers to start checking whether passengers were smoking tobacco or e-cigarettes
E-CIGARETTES have been banned from taxis across St Helens after the council’s licensing committee ruled the products should fall under its no smoking policy.
Councillors took action because they believe it is too difficult for cab drivers to tell whether passengers are smoking tobacco or e-cigs.
For the first time it has also signalled concern about “vaping”, remarking that e-cigs are “completely unregulated and the long term effects are unknown”.
The battery-powered products look like real cigarettes but users inhale a mist of nicotine instead of smoke.


The ban is expected to provoke a storm among sellers of e-cigs, who argue they are a legitimate way of weaning people off tobacco.
Action on Smoking and Health (Ash), a public health charity that works to eliminate harm caused by tobacco, suggested the decision to bracket e-cigs with tobacco was “regrettable and short-sighted”.
But the council is standing firm, and its next step could see the products being banned from council workplaces and guidelines issued to businesses.
A St Helens Council spokesman told the Star: “The council’s licensing committee has approved a clear and easy-to-understand policy for taxis that makes it easier to enforce the general ‘no smoking’ rule in cabs.
[h=4]“It prevents the smoking of both tobacco and e-cigarettes by either passengers or taxi drivers.[/h]

“E-cigarettes are obviously designed to look exactly like tobacco cigarettes and it would be unfair to expect drivers to start checking exactly what their passengers were smoking if there was a dispute.”
E-cigs are not covered by the smoking ban, and, unless a business or public body introduces their own policy, can be used in pubs, bars, stadiums and other public buildings.
The use of them, known as ‘vaping’, is said to be increasing rapidly. However, because they are, as it stands, still unregulated, it is accompanied by a significant health debate.
Some medical experts suggest they could have potentially huge health benefits by drawing smokers away from cigarettes.
But others raise concerns about their safety, with the British Medical Association stating it will take time and careful studies to fully assess the effects.
In June the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency announced e-cigs will be classed as “medicines” under new proposals to tighten up the regulation of nicotine-containing products.
A St Helens Council spokesman added: “We believe this is a responsible attitude to take, bearing in mind that e-cigarettes are completely unregulated and the long-term effects are unknown.
“Accordingly we will soon be launching a new policy, covering our own staff, which brackets e-cigarettes with tobacco products.
“We are also producing similar guidelines for local businesses and employers to consider as part of their smoking policies.”
Amanda Sandford, from Ash, said: “E-cigs are not tobacco products – they have far more in common with stop smoking products such as nicotine gum and patches.
“They are to help smokers overcome their addictions. It could also discourage ex-smokers using e-cigs to help them give up and drive them back to tobacco. Overall, we would not support a total ban.”
 
I posted about this only last night on another thread about a caby telling me that's our local council have banned them in cabs even though others have been fine with it . I still can't find anything that supports his statement.

I've even been in a cab from the same company and the driver was brandishing a vamo, he said he is on the aaec forum, so I hope I get in his cab again as I'd like to know the full score
 
“E-cigarettes are obviously designed to look exactly like tobacco cigarettes and it would be unfair to expect drivers to start checking exactly what their passengers were smoking if there was a dispute.”

Hmm, makes it sounds like they want to ban cig-a-likes - may be worth getting that clarified.

A St Helens Council spokesman added: “We believe this is a responsible attitude to take, bearing in mind that e-cigarettes are completely unregulated and the long-term effects are unknown.

I'm sure St. Helens used to have a trading standards department - maybe they've abolished it?
 
I'm always surprised at these stories, it's very easy to tell the difference between someone smoking a stinky and vaping. But the just want to ban them.

I will add though that not all councils are that silly, I do occasional work in a council run building. I asked and they said I couldn't use it in communal areas but as long as no-one in the office objected I could vape all day long. So there are some that don't just see it as smoking in a different guise
 
Do we as vapers have ANY rights at all?

Dose not look like it for now, but by the looks of things with regards to this sort of story, I think we will have to go through a bigger more out in the open struggle before we are left to get on with something that is harmless and enjoyed by a growing many

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i have asked ecca to respond to the newspaper and the council
 
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