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ECigs in the TPD Voted Today and this is what happened!

i've been reading through it all as far as I can tell and correct me if im wrong folks cigalikes and egos are allowed under the new rules but no flavours tanks or mods?

Wrong.

This is what the new regulations mean.

The biggest change is liquids higher than 20mg are banned.
This means that the highest strength you're likely to be able to buy over the counter will be 18mg and that a black market will spring up to supply the higher strength stuff.

Tanks bigger than 2ml will be banned.
you won't be able to buy any new tanks that hold more than 2ml of e-liquid. You'll still have all your old tanks, and noones taking those away, but once the new regs come in you'll be able to buy a PT2 mini but not a PT2.
It's highly unlikely that owning an oversized tank will become illegal, just selling new ones will be. (we won't know for sure until it's implemented in the actual UK regulations, that haven't even been written yet)
So you can use microcoils and nano dragon coils etc etc you'll be able to buy rebuildable atomisers still, they'll just have a smaller tank. They might well have a tank that's made into 2ml by virtue of some kind of insert that that's easily removable by the end user.
Generation 3 stuff isn't going away, it'll have to shrink a bit.

bottles bigger than 10ml* are banned.
A standard refill bottle will be 10ml. no exceptions. Depending on how this is worded you might end up with 9ml sizes. If you sell 10ml of e-liquid the law requires (weights and measures act) that you provide 10ml or more of e-liquid. Only higher than 10ml would be banned so you'd then need to provide EXACTLY 10ml to avoid breaking the law. If the implementation allows some leeway here then 10ml will stay as the standard.
* amusingly large sizes are exempt. So you'll be able to buy e-liquid by the litre, but 30ml or 50ml or 100 ml would be banned.

That's about it.

Also none of this will become law until it is implemented. The timetable for that is about 2 years away. they haven't even started writing the laws for this yet, much less debated them so it'll be a while before all this becomes law, and the minute it does become law ECITA (and others) will challenge it via the legal system. (It can't be challeneged UNTIL it becomes law, but you can bet the farm it will be.) To date all of the legal advice and all of the previous legal precedent (which to all intents and purposes IS the law) is on our side and Article 18 regulations WILL lose.

So. In about 18months - 2 years or so those three things will become law - and then they'll get challenged legally, and some time later (few months to a year) that law will be thrown out for being illegal.

that's about the size of things as they stand right now.

(there's other stuff in there too but it mostly relates to vendors and not vapers, no advertising, product reporting, not being able to put new products on the market for ~6 months etc)

Oh and don't think for a second that any of that is going to slow down the likes of FastTech. China doesn't give a stuff about our laws. Any of them. (particularly such inconveniences as copyright law, or import taxes) You'll be able to buy anything you dam well please from China irrespective of what EU based vendors will be allowed to sell you.
 
There's also an incredible cliqueyness among certain vapers with a tendency to expend energy against any individual they may disagree with, rather than combine to face a common foe. Humans. Go figure. Care to elaborate??

I think I've been clear... and going into specifics may actually be divisive.

We're up against a political game played by political gamers with a cohort of advocates whose support incorporates prejudice, ideology and vested interest... oh and deep pockets.

We've played the game as best as we're able but we're not connected or networked as politicians, nor do we have that kind of sensibility and lack of empathy (thank god).

I've been the best supporter of our overall cause - which I would define as broadly anti-restriction - that I've been able to, given life-constraints and a limited personal skillset... but, to be blunt, I've been disappointed by the results of 'mass-style' campaigning, at least in the limited ways these have been presented and organised... not necessarily due to concept, but often due to humans, as I mentioned.

I'd cite UKVIP and the 'ECigsSaveLives' concept, alongside twitterbombing and thunderclaps, as examples of these. Others will, and do, disagree. Fair enough.

Which is NOT to say they do not have value but that their value is negatively impacted by humans and (perhaps) apathy... and I've never been openly critical of such concepts and campaigning as I also believe that I'm not here to destroy... and that we're all in it together.

I've also not been as effective throughout as I - personally - could have been... so I'm also self-critical here. I've had to make decisions over how best to spend my time, skills and energies, given that such things are limited... and I've not always made the best choices.

The TPD has gone through. There are still elements within it that I intend to fight. The nature of that fight has, I believe, changed and is now challenge-based, non-compliance-based, and with a need to get far more 'in-their-face.'

I hope that we do no dilute our efforts or allow petty differences, or clique-loyalties, to interfere... because the power that we hold, I believe, has yet to be felt or even seen.

I'm pretty optimistic :D
 
VaperCaper i will have a pint of berry Cheesecake please!
Oh bugger i can't get a pint in the EU, tell you what, make it half a litre ;)
 
I'm not sure about that. I have a perfect face for radio lets say :)

Speaking of which I'm on RY4 radio tonight, I have a sneaking suspicion some of the topic of conversation might drift, briefly, onto the EU.
 
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There's also an incredible cliqueyness among certain vapers with a tendency to expend energy against any individual they may disagree with, rather than combine to face a common foe. Humans. Go figure.
Care to elaborate??

I'm thinking he's confusing this place with other extremely cliquified forums where it's allowed to be dicks in large quantities...here it's a one at a time kind of deal..:D Unless yer a yank...the yanks band together and do the dickheadery thing in groups larger than 5 most times.

Did you know that in Montana a group of 7 or more is considered a war party...and you can shoot to kill? :P
 
I'll be tuning in!

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Wrong.

This is what the new regulations mean.

The biggest change is liquids higher than 20mg are banned.
This means that the highest strength you're likely to be able to buy over the counter will be 18mg and that a black market will spring up to supply the higher strength stuff.

Tanks bigger than 2ml will be banned.
you won't be able to buy any new tanks that hold more than 2ml of e-liquid. You'll still have all your old tanks, and noones taking those away, but once the new regs come in you'll be able to buy a PT2 mini but not a PT2.
It's highly unlikely that owning an oversized tank will become illegal, just selling new ones will be. (we won't know for sure until it's implemented in the actual UK regulations, that haven't even been written yet)
So you can use microcoils and nano dragon coils etc etc you'll be able to buy rebuildable atomisers still, they'll just have a smaller tank. They might well have a tank that's made into 2ml by virtue of some kind of insert that that's easily removable by the end user.
Generation 3 stuff isn't going away, it'll have to shrink a bit.

bottles bigger than 10ml* are banned.
A standard refill bottle will be 10ml. no exceptions. Depending on how this is worded you might end up with 9ml sizes. If you sell 10ml of e-liquid the law requires (weights and measures act) that you provide 10ml or more of e-liquid. Only higher than 10ml would be banned so you'd then need to provide EXACTLY 10ml to avoid breaking the law. If the implementation allows some leeway here then 10ml will stay as the standard.
* amusingly large sizes are exempt. So you'll be able to buy e-liquid by the litre, but 30ml or 50ml or 100 ml would be banned.

That's about it.

Also none of this will become law until it is implemented. The timetable for that is about 2 years away. they haven't even started writing the laws for this yet, much less debated them so it'll be a while before all this becomes law, and the minute it does become law ECITA (and others) will challenge it via the legal system. (It can't be challeneged UNTIL it becomes law, but you can bet the farm it will be.) To date all of the legal advice and all of the previous legal precedent (which to all intents and purposes IS the law) is on our side and Article 18 regulations WILL lose.

So. In about 18months - 2 years or so those three things will become law - and then they'll get challenged legally, and some time later (few months to a year) that law will be thrown out for being illegal.

that's about the size of things as they stand right now.

(there's other stuff in there too but it mostly relates to vendors and not vapers, no advertising, product reporting, not being able to put new products on the market for ~6 months etc)

Oh and don't think for a second that any of that is going to slow down the likes of FastTech. China doesn't give a stuff about our laws. Any of them. (particularly such inconveniences as copyright law, or import taxes) You'll be able to buy anything you dam well please from China irrespective of what EU based vendors will be allowed to sell you.

Sorry bud didn't mean to ruffle you was just having a bit of trouble with the wording

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