Forum response to disposable vapes

[Mitz]

An interesting read mitz & Rob but it does nothing to address the damage those devices are doing to the reputation of vaping as an alternative to smoking.

My views on the matter remain unchanged. I have not, nor would I ever seek to intimidate forum users, new or old, away from these devices but I will not temper my views on them or walk on eggshells either.

I understand and respect the opinions of the forum management, on this occasion though i dissagree, my objections are not stated out of any sort of ill will but from genuine concern with the direction we are heading.

The vast majority of the time I spend on this forum is spent trying to be helpful to all of its members and I think it would be a shame to be told that I can't give my honest opinion.
(Yes I'm aware that's not what you're saying exactly but it's a slippery slope)

My views on the advertising ban also remain unchanged and though I have no desire to re hash that argument I still believe that in the long term it is going to do more harm than good.

In short, I'm not going to shout my mouth off in every disposable thread but I will not support them either.

I will as I've always done, give my full and honest opinion to all comers.

Continuing a blanket ban on the advertising of disposables on this forum and creating an inhospitable environment, both for vendors and new (and old) members who use disposables, also does nothing to address disposable's impact on the reputation of vaping. Disposable vapes are here to stay in whatever form they come until the powers that be decide to do something about it. Vendors tend to advertise across multiple online platforms, disposables are now sold by virtually every online vape shop, every retail vape shop, every supermarket, and practically every petrol station. Nobody is saying that you have to like it, or even agree with it, but this forum should be welcoming to all vapers, regardless of what they are vaping on. There have been threads where the responses from the very start were unhelpful and on occasion even outright hostile. You can, of course, post your opinions. What is being asked from ALL members is that we create a respectful, helpful, considerate, and welcoming environment for ALL vapers. Creating an inhospitable environment for disposable vape users and vendors benefits nobody.

 

[MHL]

I propose a prominent link to a sticky thread / article about the damage that disposables can do (to the reputation of vaping, as well as the environment), with suggestions for moving away from disposables to more positive alternatives.

Then there won't be any reason to reiterate points or argue the toss on every thread, we can just link to that one, respectfully worded, source of information. I understand the need to not alienate new vapers or to create an inhospitable environment for those who sell / use them. But personally I think we should discourage their use wherever possible and make it clear why we are doing that.

IMO we should be a source of good information, not judge, jury and executioner.

 

[Phrasing]

Can I just ask for clarification on why the advertisement of disposables was banned in the first place?

And what changed between the ban and it being lifted?

Like i said i understand the point of view, but aside from advertisement revenue i can see no motovation to lift the ban.

I certainly don't think it's about creating a more hospitable environment for vendors or users because regardless of your stance the overwhelming opinion of most users is that disposables are bad for one reason or another.
The only outcome for new users that this will acheive is it will expose them to a rose tinted view of disposables that they used to be safe from here.

if the forum is allowing the same insiduous marketing that is rampant on other social media so be it, but please dont pretend its for any other reason than to pay the bills.

 

[MHL]

I reckon that there are 2 separate issues. The ban on advertisments IS probably a revenue thing.

But also, ripping a new asshole for users who are currently on disposables, is not very welcoming and will diminish the community over time.

 

[Rickster]

Great news, a common sense approach where all vapers are welcome.

 

[Phrasing]

I reckon that there are 2 separate issues. The ban on advertisments IS probably a revenue thing.

But also, ripping a new asshole for users who are currently on disposables, is not very welcoming and will diminish the community over time.

I don't disagree with that, I always try to be polite and respectful no matter the subject

 

[Rob]

We will respond to your question @Phrasing but please be aware, we are getting each post WE make (Mitz and myself) approved or edited by our Poorly Boss who is having to contend with a damaged back at the moment, so please bear with us, we aren't ignoring you.

 

[Phrasing]

We will respond to your question @Phrasing but please be aware, we are getting each post WE make (Mitz and myself) approved or edited by our Poorly Boss who is having to contend with a damaged back at the moment, so please bear with us, we aren't ignoring you.

No worries, I'm not trying to make this an argument.
Just letting you know my views and the reasons behind them.

 

[MHL]

I don't disagree with that, I always try to be polite and respectful no matter the subject

I've never seen you be anything other mate (except to @SkyBlueJ and that doesn't count).

 

[Phrasing]

I've never seen you be anything other mate (except to @SkyBlueJ and that doesn't count).

Yeah well he asks for it tbf