Girls aged 11 Get E-Cigarettes easily in North Wales

[Vapour_Dreams]

Today the BBC have an article available here stating that girls as young as 11 can get E Cigarettes from shops, friends & parents it also states some other interesting facts from a recent report.

It doesn't have a link to the report but I would be interested to know what types of shops and the percentages that shops, parents and friends who provided these people with E Cigarettes. It would also be interesting to know if the shops are E Cigarette shops or newsagents.

These people need to start acting responsibly, these items are not for youngsters and parent / friends should stop encouraging them and the shops should refuse to sell to them.

Over 18 only is there for a reason

 

[VaperCaper]

Sadly some places are just happy to make a sale and as it isn't yet illegal to sell to kids, legally they aren't doing anything wrong.


Am very much looking forward to age restrictions coming in this autumn (despite it costing me a small fortune to implement) which if nothing else will land shops that sell to kids in hot water if they carry on.

Vaping is not for children and no responsible site/shop should be selling to under 18s.

 

[ZT]

One of the things I love about vaping .. and the vaping business community in general is how everyone has self regulated to no under 18s

(apart from the unscrupulous - who will always exist in whatever niche)

that in itself send out a huge good message (or should do) to the powers that be.

 

[9668harry]

More and more negative spin day every day. You have to face facts, there is a war going on. Tobacco giants are losing money, lots of money. The governments are seeing there cash cows dry up, all because of the ecig industry. They will go to any lengths to protect there interests, and as we have seen with other things over the years the media is there weapon of choice. There's not a day that doesn't go by where there's not a negative report in some guise or another. Batteries blowing up, kids are buying them, it's all spin. Not that I'm saying these things don't happen but think about it. One day an ego blows up and is all over the media, how many house fires were caused that day by cigarettes or any battery that is incorrectly charged, that's not reported. Kids are buying them, how many kids are smoking cigarettes that day, or buying alcohol and in some case even drugs. It's just a big load of bullshit spin.

With regards to the report, I live in Wrexham. There are two B&M shops that i know of. Neither of which sell to under 18's. Believe it or not I very rarely see anybody vaping when I'm out and about, but those I have seen have all been over 18, tbh way over. I've not seen one minor vaping at all in Wrexham, I'm not saying that there are not any under 18's doing it here I'm just yet to see any of them doing it. I asked my son who is in 6th form at the local high school. He doesn't know anybody doing it, he knows of a few that smoke cigarettes but not vaping. Strange that Isn't it.

It stands to reason that some under 18's will try it, kids being kids you know it's a part of life that some will try it. As I said there trying much worse things for kicks now days. You can't stop it, you can only try to prevent it..



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[knome]

A summary of the report is here...

http://social-change.co.uk/admin/resources/downloads/EXECUTIVE SUMARY.pdf

It's a marketing study commissioned by Public Health Wales. You'd have thought they'd be more interested in a scientific study but hey-ho there you go.

Young kids smoking is an age old problem - it must be the stinky tobacco flavour that hooks 'em.

 

[Chegs]

E shisha type or hookah pipes contain no nicotine(according to the 1000's of sellers on ebay)so minors cannot be stopped from buying, that's possibly where the many kids get the idea from that our eciggys are no nicotine too. It is also well known that smoking is more common in socially deprived areas, only way to sort that is to cure the country's financial standing which is never going to happen with the millionaires running the UK as they're only interested in improving their wealth.
My interpretation of the linked story is, it must be a no news day so they'll print any old garbage.

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[Diche]

Reading the report it looks as though it is not so much shops in general, but shops in Wrexham that are the issue. The comparative results for other parts of Wales did not record girls of this age knowing where to buy e-cigs.

Had I wished to do so I would have had no problems getting hold of cigarettes, alcohol, marajuana and cocaine at that age and I lived in an affluent part of the south east at that point. The question nicely highlighted by the report was which factors tended to discourage youngsters from an interest in cigarettes and ecigs, particularly the smoking habits of their parents and siblings and the amount of after school activities they were involved in.

In my opinion it is a valid report based on information derived from the age group it is studying that comes up with a list of recommendations that are reasonably sensible, of course that doesn't mean the media have to portray it that way.

From a vaping perspective the only concerning element was

Develop a clear benchmark for partners that states how they can become

a Smokefree building or space and include e-cigarettes in the vision.

Most of the rest of it seemed to be commonsense to me.

 

[Mawsley]

Go to any major city and you'll find 11-yr olds dealing drugs.

It's high time they put tough laws into place to stop this carry on. They should start by making all drugs only available to over-18s and medicalise them.

 

[Diablo]

I was stood in a queue while shopping with the mrs yesterday and the the women behind me were going on about one of their 13 year old daughters getting caught smoking again at school. One of them asked whether the girl was at home and the answer she got was that she would probably be on the canal with her mates by now (no doubt with a fag in her hand).

It made me wonder at the time, would she have been less angry if the kid was vaping instead? I am not trying to start a war here, I agree that shops shouldnt sell vape gera to kids, but when all is said and done, the kids bought it, and with money given by the parents. If I had done similar as a kid (obviously no vape stuff back in the early 1800s, yes I feel old today), I can be pretty sure the words pocket and money wouldnt have gone together for a fair while.

its a bad situation that brings vaping into disrepute, but lets be honest here, do any of you feel that the negative press is any different than we have put up with for quite a while now? How many freelance journos have sent kids into shops to see if they can buy cigs, alcohol, fireworks and lord knows what else over the years just to do another scaremongering story? Try for long enough you are bound to find someone who will sell something they shouldnt.

All we do by discussing it is prolong the story while giving it a near permanent digital record here that allows it to keep cropping up long after it should be dead.

Its not news, Its just more mindless drivel. I cant read papers (i know this wasnt paper based but even so its related) without seeing so called news that is nothing more than paper padding. Give the kid a slap, tell her not to do it again. Job done. If its a big thing in the area? tell the brats at school not to do it. While at the same time trying to not give them ideas, oh, hang on, its more than likely a big thing in that area thanks to the news report, how many kids who knew nothing of it now want to try it?

Dont feed the Trolls

 

[anthonyb]

Just a couple of quotes from here
redheadfullofsteam | coming down upon the opponents of vaping with great vengeance and furious anger

So… let’s briefly recap. We have Public Health Wales hiring an associate of Pfizer to produce a study on youth smoking. What could go wrong with that?

So, let’s deconstruct that. Public health officials have warned that 11 year olds are naturally curious and will, given even the merest fraction of a chance, do something they know very well they shouldn’t be doing. Well that’s enormous news. But wait… what’s this? Use of e-cigarettes by 11 year old girls is common THEY CONCLUDED? How did public health officials reach this conclusion? It’s quite simple really. They made it up.

Also this

Social Change UK is not an independent research body; it is a marketing company. There is no such thing as an impartial marketing company. Trust me on this. It’s my industry sector. And if you don’t want to trust me on this, apply common sense. Marketing is, by its very nature, fiercely partisan. Consider also that we have a commercial body who count Pfizer amongst their clients