If the ecig restrictions start will buying liquid nicotine stop?????

[Fleabag]

not neccessarily because pharmecutical grade nicotine has been around to purchase alot longer than ecigs. sure it may not be the easiest thing to get but its used for other purposes too.
of course as said that poses risks with diy'ers who are dabbling with something that dont treat with respect. ive never made or even attempted to make my own e liquid and tbh wouldnt even know where to start.
for instance i see here

http://www.rtsvapes.com/60_ml_of_60_mg_Flavorless_Nicotine_Liquid_p/120n.htm

now thats listed as 6%. now i normally vape 12mg juices which i think is 1.2%. so to get that from this bottle i would i assume need 5x the amount of pg/vg mix and flavour ( or to bring in total content up to 300 ml .
which should result i guess in a 1.2% based juice.. though i could be wayyyyy off the mark and end up poisoning myself.

really should look up mixing charts and the like and also the costs though its not something im greatly interested in getting into if things in the ecig world go pear shaped may have little choice

It would be extremely difficult to harm yourself through nicotine poisoning, unless you were doing it deliberately (in which case there's a wealth of other, probably more effective, chemicals to schoose from that are readly available in enormous quantities). You KNOW when you've had too much nicotine, and headache/nausea/vomiting would be expected to occur long before you accidently inflicted any serious or long term damage to yourself. Vaping provides a fast delivery of nicotine, and accidental poisoning would need a much slower absorption rate for you to successfully ingest enough BEFORE the unpleasant symptoms kicked it (like paracetamol).

In fact, take paracetamol as a good example of why the ecig proposals are so heavy-handed. Yes, there are limits to the amount of paracetamol one can buy at one time - but this is applied in a very vague way. I have successfully purchased more than my "quota", other places have placed an arbitary 2 packet limit, even though the packet contains only a small quantity (when I am legally allowed 2 packets of larger quantities). Another shop recently told me the till wouldn't allow me to put through 2 packs of paracetamol and 2 of aspirin, even though they were different painkillers and they can be taken alongside each other and as far as I know are legal to purchase in one transaction.

But the main issue is that these rules only serve to inconvenince people who might want a supply of painkillers in the house to serve a lot of people or a chronic pain condition. Anyone who intends to stockpile to commit suicide will just visit multpile stores to get the desired amount. I guess it's part & parcel of the "think of the children" approach, so that households don't have large stockpiles that a child might take - but if a householder wants a stockpile - for pain relief or self-harm - they can easily achieve it by buying a couple of packets in every supermarket, chemist or poundland they pass.

With e-cigs, they seem determined to not just inconvenience people, but significantly push the price up AND restrict the quality of the product. At least a paracetamol is a paracetamol is a parcetamol, regardless of whether they come in small packs or bottles (and any price difference is minimal), but the proposed restrictions on the much less dangerous ecigs/juice will prevent me from DIYing, buying the most effective tanks and from benefiting from the current cost saving against smoking (which is a driving factor for a proportion of tobacco quitters)

 

[Chegs]

If the only nic base available is the 20 mg limit they're talking of,then even home-brew juices will be shit as take 10 mill of nic base,add your 10% flavour which instantly drops your base to 18 mg(my favoured strength)leaving no fucking room to add any VG.So I'd end up with a 10 ml bottle of juice that creates massive zits on my skin,has a TH that removes the power of speech for awhile,& nobody would know where that smell of fruit/aniseed/menthol etc was coming from as the vapour would be so thin as to be near invisible.WTG Politicians(not)

 

[Fleabag]

If the only nic base available is the 20 mg limit they're talking of,then even home-brew juices will be shit as take 10 mill of nic base,add your 10% flavour which instantly drops your base to 18 mg(my favoured strength)leaving no fucking room to add any VG.So I'd end up with a 10 ml bottle of juice that creates massive zits on my skin,has a TH that removes the power of speech for awhile,& nobody would know where that smell of fruit/aniseed/menthol etc was coming from as the vapour would be so thin as to be near invisible.WTG Politicians(not)

Yes - Have PG nic base left, and new bottles of VG base, but basically, I'd have to go zero VG (not even thining about it!) or REALLY high VG, which may kill the flavour - I don't like much TH, but at only 10-20% PG, that might not have enough TH even for me

 

[steffijade]

I can see liquid nicotine sales rocket just before the legislation comes in. It's making me consider plunging a few hundred quid into supplies and mixing my own liquids just so I can have a personal middle finger held up to ill-informed, out dated politicians.

Call me paranoid but I've got 5 litres of 50mg in me freezer.. whatever the sods do, that should keep me and my mum in vape for a good few years to come.

 

[Phantom Diablo]

Call me paranoid but I've got 5 litres of 50mg in me freezer.. whatever the sods do, that should keep me and my mum in vape for a good few years to come.

oooh share share

 

[Chegs]

I'm paranoid but skint,probably by the time I finally have enough cash spare for nicotine,these restrictions will be law and I'll be sat waiting for my Chinese slow-boats finally remembering where the UK is.

Sent by lazer from just north of the world's largest nuclear dustbin

 

[Fleabag]

I have 1litre of 72mg. Depending how things pan out, I may stock up more (hopefully via KMS's supplier) but also start gradually reducing my nic strength

 

[Ninjaassasin1983]

i guess if we can legally by ZERO nic juice ( as essentially it wouldnt br breaking any restrictions we could in theory just buy nic and add our own ( though the risk of course here is an influx of amateur e liquid makers Od'ing on nicotine!

idiots trying to cut industrial grade nicotine is a concern too

 

[madpiano]

I think I understood these restrictions differently. Ready mixed ejuice will be limited to 24mg. I didn't see anything about the nicotine base liquid we use for mixing the juice. And prefilled cartridges will be limited to 2ml. Not DIY tanks. Forcing manufacturers to look at better leak proofing sounds like a good idea to me.
I thought the whole medicine thing was killed? But I am not totally against licensing in theory, as long as this isn't prohibitively expensive and involves quality control. It doesn't have to be your local pharmacy. Genuine sellers should not be affected by it, but it may stop those sellers of fake goods down the market and on eBay. It shouldn't be so hard to get equipment tested for safety (think batteries) and then approved for sale in the EU. Other electronics have to pass these tests as well, after all. It won't stop DIY set ups, as long as you don't try to sell them afterwards.

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[steffijade]

I think I understood these restrictions differently. Ready mixed ejuice will be limited to 24mg. I didn't see anything about the nicotine base liquid we use for mixing the juice. And prefilled cartridges will be limited to 2ml. Not DIY tanks. Forcing manufacturers to look at better leak proofing sounds like a good idea to me.
I thought the whole medicine thing was killed? But I am not totally against licensing in theory, as long as this isn't prohibitively expensive and involves quality control. It doesn't have to be your local pharmacy. Genuine sellers should not be affected by it, but it may stop those sellers of fake goods down the market and on eBay. It shouldn't be so hard to get equipment tested for safety (think batteries) and then approved for sale in the EU. Other electronics have to pass these tests as well, after all. It won't stop DIY set ups, as long as you don't try to sell them afterwards.

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I emailed that Lib Dem MEP (whose name escapes me for the moment) for clarification on whether nic base would be affected by the proposals agreed to after the 'behind closed doors' meeting last month and his view was that the 20mg restriction would apply to nic base as well as.

There's still some hope that the 2 official complaints made about the consultation process regarding nic strength might persuade some MEPs that the 20mg is misguided... suppose we'll know for sure when the next vote is taken.