Lockdown V3

[HAZZA1962]

And as I have stated previously, nobody has any idea what the true figures of infections or Deaths are, due to the innacuracy of the testing, they could be less, they could be more, but while the Government insist on using Tests that they know, and anyone Medically trained know, are not fit for purpose, we will never have clear picture of the situation !!!

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4941

 

[mick brown]

I guess it depends on what you are trying to read into them.

I don't think most people are massively concerned with the overall deaths taken on their own.

.. but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try and reduce them. There's a lot of deaths on the roads each year, we try and reduce them with speed limits and seat belts.

At the moment, it's about hospitals not being able to cope with the amount of patients and trying to get the vaccines out.... the more the virus spreads the harder those jobs are, that's the concern.

I'm pretty sure the government don't care if you live or die on a personal level.. and neither should they really, they aren't your mum.

So it's more the amount of people getting sick and needing hospitalisation that's the main concern rather than the current 83k death's. Makes sense.
Unless the 80 odd thousand is over and above the usual. It's got to be hasn't it. We can't have just had 80k die in a year. That's just with covid (or within the 28 day + malarkey).
I never would have believed we lose 500k people in a year normally if somebody hadn't shown me that site.

 

[knome]

There's only one question that matters.

Did they put themselves or anyone else at a higher risk of catching or spreading the virus?

.... if not, then I don't understand. That is what this is supposed to be about after all.

Thanks for replying to my post.
I think I'm losing it and have given up.
Got wound up this afternoon sat in my car at a local Co-op waiting for Mrs knome doing some essential and non-essential shopping.
All I saw was varying degrees of cuntish behaviour by humans.
No sparrows or robins to take my mind off it.
Gurgle.
Frrmmph!

 

[mick brown]

BTW. I've just had a second close friend test positive. [emoji17] the bastard thing is getting around alright.

 

[zouzounaki]

Maybe one should stop and think that there may of been a very good reason for that little outing.

there may be a good reason for a fat bloke to cycle round a busy park with security with him, but this wouldn’t necessarily mean it was an essential trip. i think he should have stayed at home and followed the guidance.

 

[knome]

I mean, do I wait for the kitchen-roll to run out before it becomes essential or can I buy it in advance when it's non-essential?

 

[HAZZA1962]

I mean, do I wait for the kitchen-roll to run out before it becomes essential or can I buy it in advance when it's non-essential?

Kitchen roll for Vapers is definitely Essential !!!

 

[Simon G]

So it's more the amount of people getting sick and needing hospitalisation that's the main concern rather than the current 83k death's. Makes sense.
Unless the 80 odd thousand is over and above the usual. It's got to be hasn't it. We can't have just had 80k die in a year. That's just with covid (or within the 28 day + malarkey).
I never would have believed we lose 500k people in a year normally if somebody hadn't shown me that site.

I also think a big concern is people dying because they don't get treated (or treated quick enough) that would be bad and we've seen it before when we've had bad flu winters and stuff.... people dying on trollys waiting to be seen, when they could have been saved.

There's about 650,000 people born in the UK each year, so, well you know... if life isn't it.

 

[knome]

But buying it in advance when it's not yet become essential could be construed as panic buying.
Where would we be if people started panic buying toilet roll, for example?

 

[Simon G]

@mick brown

I'm just watching this video, here's a grab of what they called excess deaths ... the zero line is the UK deaths average, for for 2020 it was about 15% higher and it's the first time it's gone up in 5 years... That doesn't necessarily mean it's direct covid deaths, they could be from anything... but it is up a significant amount.