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E-CIGARETTES ARE A GATEWAY TO SMOKING

NO you fukwits the TPD will be the gateway to smoking once your fekkin laws change.
 
I see they've also used the old gateway to smoking nonsense as well. :3dmad:

That bullshit pissed me off bigstyle too.

The amount of people it encourages to smoke is probably 0.0001% of the people it helps stop smoking.
 
Honestly. It's the daily fail. They'd print that the fucking sun is blue if they thought it would drum up more sales.
 
I emailed that professor directly .. who sent me data and even tho the levels were high they were reduced massively by mixing it with VG/PG it's all nonsense...

here the reply email I received.

Hello James,
Thank you for your interest in our work. I attach the paper.
Concentrations that we measured are shown in Fig.2 and in the supplemental
information. I have not followed all of the media coverage, but the few
publications I have seen reflect our findings fairly adequately (though
Daily Mail title is wrong - flavoring does not contain cancer-causing
Chemicals, they form them when used in e-cigs). Aldehyde levels we
measured are very high in pure flavoring's, even according to industrial safety standards.
Aldehyde levels in the devices we tested were comparable to those in
conventional cigarettes. However, e-cigs do not produce tar, for example,
so they are significantly cleaner in that respect. I checked some comments
to the articles and was a bit surprised that some people think we were
funded by the tobacco industry, which is entirely untrue. It was a small,
internally funded study. None of us, nor the institute had any connections
to the industry. I am not against e-cigs, but I think people need to know
what is in the vapor. Our goal was to draw attention to the problem. Many factors affect
aldehyde emissions, such as e-cig power,
construction, etc. I am sure there should be a way to make e-cigs safer.
For example, diluting flavors with PG/VG seems to reduce aldehyde
emissions exponentially.
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Andrey
 
So what is he saying exactly? Is he testing flavourings on their own?
The bit about diluting with pg/vg seeming to reduce aldehyde levels exponentially- that's what happens in all eliquid anyway?! I don't quite understand what the point of this study was. If they went further and showed aldehyde levels in a selection of off the shelf eliquid then the study may have had more relevant information, albeit it would have had more favourable conclusions for vaping
 
I emailed that professor directly .. who sent me data and even tho the levels were high they were reduced massively by mixing it with VG/PG it's all nonsense...

here the reply email I received.

Hello James,
Thank you for your interest in our work. I attach the paper.
Concentrations that we measured are shown in Fig.2 and in the supplemental
information. I have not followed all of the media coverage, but the few
publications I have seen reflect our findings fairly adequately (though
Daily Mail title is wrong - flavoring does not contain cancer-causing
Chemicals, they form them when used in e-cigs). Aldehyde levels we
measured are very high in pure flavoring's, even according to industrial safety standards.
Aldehyde levels in the devices we tested were comparable to those in
conventional cigarettes. However, e-cigs do not produce tar, for example,
so they are significantly cleaner in that respect. I checked some comments
to the articles and was a bit surprised that some people think we were
funded by the tobacco industry, which is entirely untrue. It was a small,
internally funded study. None of us, nor the institute had any connections
to the industry. I am not against e-cigs, but I think people need to know
what is in the vapor. Our goal was to draw attention to the problem. Many factors affect
aldehyde emissions, such as e-cig power,
construction, etc. I am sure there should be a way to make e-cigs safer.
For example, diluting flavors with PG/VG seems to reduce aldehyde
emissions exponentially.
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Andrey
So it seems this person was testing flavourings, ALONE?

Seeing as literally no Ecig user vapes pure flavouring, and dilutes it with VG and PG according to their personal taste, I would like to see results with say 10% flavouring and the aldehyde amount used within a fair range- not such a temperature that would cause a dry hit either that every vaper avoids.

Even if it was independently funded, it seems they lack an understanding of just how juice is made and used.
 
His reply does seem to imply that he was testing neat flavourings. I think this really needs to be clarified, since this is definitely not how E Liquids are used, as has been said a maximum of 10% Flavouring is normal and in many mixtures even lower percentages.
 
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