"No!" to McAvan's Hell

[steffijade]

To clarify: (cos it's really fucking with my head now) The MEP's need to vote on this right?, and if thy vote the same way as last time (Oct 8th), the whole TPD is fucked?

The way I understand it, that was the point of the trialogue.. so that they could argue out what was going to be voted on.

They've reached a 'consensus' on what is mostly acceptable to all parties and as such, I can't see the directive not being passed when it's voted on tbh.

 

[Fleabag]

I'm with Gonloopy, I worry that the new proposals give Britain the green light to push ahead with medical licensing

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[steffijade]

I'm with @Gonloopy, I worry that the new proposals give Britain the green light to push ahead with medical licensing

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They've never really needed a green light and the MHRA have already announced that they'll be going ahead with licensing regardless of what happens in Europe.

My guess is that we'll end up with 2 subcategories.

One will follow the directives of the TPD, classify as tobacco and be heavily taxed.

The other will be licensed, crappy ineffective products, no flavorings but be lightly taxed and available on prescription.

 

[Fleabag]

They've never really needed a green light and the MHRA have already announced that they'll be going ahead with licensing regardless of what happens in Europe.

My guess is that we'll end up with 2 subcategories.

One will follow the directives of the TPD, classify as tobacco and be heavily taxed.

The other will be licensed, crappy ineffective products, no flavorings but be lightly taxed and available on prescription.

I agree that they didn't need it, but I felt they were less likely to plough on with it if it was at odds with the EU attitude to it (not least because EU lawyers appear to have advised them against it because it would fail in court).

I would really like to see vaping taken out of tobacco legislation (and also local and organisational policy-making) on the grounds that it isn't tobacco. Some might argue that it's derived from tobacco, but all that remains of it is the useable quantities of the same stuff in aubergines, tomatoes and potatoes - which is about as logical as putting alcohol cleansing wipes under the licensing laws.

The fact that law-makers and reputable health organisations are lazily throwing ecigs into their tobacco legislation and smoking policies sends out the wrong message to moronic employers such as mine, who blindly follow without questioning the motives or rationale behind the decision. I do wish someone would, once and for all, challenge the treatment of ecigs as tobacco products and especially "smoking", so that subsequent placement of the product under either label would be established as illegal.

 

[gettingthere]

the MHRA have already announced that they'll be going ahead with licensing regardless of what happens in Europe.

If they do go ahead can they then stop us buying from anywhere else in the EU?

 

[steffijade]

If they do go ahead can they then stop us buying from anywhere else in the EU?

Good question.. I'm tempted to say that would go against the cross border free trade legislation but tbh, I'm unsure.

 

[clint]

I've been wondering about this too. In Australia the sale of nicotine is not allowed. There are still vendors over there that still sell devices and flavourings but not nicotine and yet there are still plenty of people vaping there.

 

[Fleabag]

They seem quite willing to ignore all fundamental principles of law and purpose of the EU in their efforts to make it as difficult as possible to use the only effective cessation tool available

If we establish that all of the effective types of ecigs/liquids are under threat, they are effectively criminalising smoking cessation

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I've been wondering about this too. In Australia the sale of nicotine is not allowed. There are still vendors over there that still sell devices and flavourings but not nicotine and yet there are still plenty of people vaping there.

Rather like the legal sale of bongs, cannabis grinders and giant rizlas here

 

[clint]

Exactly Fleabag and obviously people are sourcing nicotine from somewhere. In fact there is an Australian lad on the forums here who does reviews (can't remember his name) it would be interesting if he could shed some light on the situation.

 

[Fleabag]

Sometimes I feel like we're in some weird twilight zone, where no-one but us can see the utter disregard for scientific evidence, logic and civil liberties - especially in a world where the freedom to put yourself in an early grave with alcohol and tobacco is fiercly protected by law-makers