"No!" to McAvan's Hell

[Mawsley]

Double edged sword with that suggestion though. Firstly people needing to switch will look for electronic cigarettes not other terms, the term ecig is simple for those not in the know to find info for whereas pretty much any terminology will confuse.

Remove the ease of accessibility for people to find zed you lose loads of good vendors who no longer get the trade - ebay hawkers will still use the ecig term and will get that business.

Personally I do not think the term ecig should be blamed for these woes. They are, in fact an electronic cigarette or variant of at least for most people - not just those that have moved to mods.

The problem is with the lawmakers and the way they twist legislation for their own purposes or the way they turn the very people ego use devices against a term just to try and find a bit of distance.

The reason it's toxic is because of the name, I'm not blaming it I'm simply stating fact. By including cigarette in the title of a product you link it with something which is now regarded alongside Jimmy Saville, drink driving and the soap opera Eldorado.

People look for ecigs because that is what they are currently called. No one now walks into a shop and asks where the Marathon bars are. Names get changed for a reason - and this one is crying out for change.

 

[Colonelboom]

The reason it's toxic is because of the name, I'm not blaming it I'm simply stating fact. By including cigarette in the title of a product you link it with something which is now regarded alongside Jimmy Saville, drink driving and the soap opera Eldorado.

People look for ecigs because that is what they are currently called. No one now walks into a shop and asks where the Marathon bars are. Names get changed for a reason - and this one is crying out for change.

My point was that changing the name won't stop any action being lodged against whatever new term is used. They are ecigs to us, future users and lawmakers alike and changing the name to personal humidifiers would just mean that got added to whatever law.

We need to fight the stupid lawmakers as they will eventually come after us again for exactly the same reasons and this time probably up against a fragmented community rather than one that embraces ecigs, mods, apvs as all the same device type

 

[Fleabag]

Well, one of the intentions of the committee was to outlaw communities/forums - presumably to put a stop to the militant collectives that are fighting their attempts to outlaw smoking cessation.

The anti-vaping measures they'll consider to protect big pharma from the inevitable losses incurred by a healthier human race is astonishing - becoming a vaper has really opened my eyes to the corruption of the process of government.

 

[tartanthing]

First things first.
These clowns are elected by US. They have their position because we have consented to voting them to these elected bodies. WE are the ones in who's gift it is to employ them. It's time to start playing hardball with them reminding them that if they vote in favour of these ludicrous laws we will put them out of a job come May. Lets have a concerted effort to target Ms McAvan by her electorate via twitter, email and facebook to tell her directly that she is claiming JSA in June. They should fear US, not we them!
Next bit
Maybe we should start using the term Personal Enhanced Nicotine Inhaler System aka PENIS. the euro muppets will look extremley foolish trying to ban PENIS.
And Finally...
I dunno how well up any of you are on US politics but there was a fella called Rick Santorum who ran for the Republicans in their recent presidential primaries. Rick is a dyed in the wool gay hating bible bashing cretin. He offended someone in the gay community who was tech savvy who then started a linking campaign...the link below is what now comes up when you search Rick Santorums name. NSFW!
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=santorum&defid=942955
Maybe a similar approach could be taken for Ms McAvan?