So it's not just VIP

[m0th]

Important thing to take comfort from is that it is still 10 to 100 times less than what is in cigarette smoke. But it is a known avoidable risk and shouldn't be in there

i never knew that diacetyl was in tabs. i've been keeping an eye on the whole debacle since i first read about it and was a bit paranoid about it. now i couldn't give a flying f**k anymore. cheers

 

[gords1001]

Call me cavalier if you will, but custard and creamy based eliquids covers about 99% or what I vape, and I do mix myself mostly, so I only have myself to blame if anything goes tits up, I really dont plan to change my vaping habits, I use what keeps me well away from the stinkies.

Unfortunately that means high output, huge airflow drippers on mechs, till my mosfets arrive later in the week.

I definitely fall into the high risk category, but since part of my work can create mustard gas fumes, I used to smoke, I spend a lot of time stuck in traffic jams, or in cnc shops where the oil mist literally glues itself to any surface, my partner smokes, I work on vehicles, around c02 plants, up ladders or on trucks on windy days, I carry around 50kg of refrigerants, oxypropane, nitrogen, acetone, butane canisters.

Electric shocks are not unfamiliar, same with both heat burns and refrigerant burns. I fairly regularly work on "bomb test range 2 or munitions test bed 3, or have to retreat to a blast shelter in a quarry, fork lift trucks or reach trucks are a daily encounter, as are manuevering tractor/trailors, compressor swaps on a main road, or in foundries, climbing about in rafters or on cable ladders. High voltage electrical supplies, very high pressure gasses, never mind 30000 miles a year on Britain's road networks.


When you take all that into account, I really dont see that this requires all the fuss thats being attributed to it.

Its great that most venders are doing their best to deal with the situation, but I'm prepared to make my own choices and accept the risks.

 

[ZT]

Important thing to take comfort from is that it is still 10 to 100 times less than what is in cigarette smoke. But it is a known avoidable risk and shouldn't be in there

I do find it kind of galling that the same outrage is not aimed at cigarettes by the Antis despite them having LOTS more and Lots of other shit as well

 

[NINman]

These results came out a few months back - though they have finally been published now in a proper journal.

Unless we know exactly what liquids were tested and then which flavour compounds those liquids used it's hard to figure out what flavours out there might contain diacetyl.

Capella are known for their 'NO DIACETYL', though it makes you wonder if they are bring out v2 versions of vanilla custard and French Vanilla presently that also now do not contain Acetyl Propionyl, but used to how many of their other flavours use AP. I'd guess that Capella presently are the most widely used flavour house for e-liquid flavours. The majority of the flavours we use are from Capella or FA.

Also the 74%, as I understand it, refers to either AP or Diacetyl. While diacetyl has been known to be bad for a long time, AP is a relatively new bad kid on the block, so it's entirely possible that a chunk of this 74% contain AP and not Diacetyl.


We plan on taking the good doctors advice and are getting all of the flavours we use GC-MS tested over the autumn so we are 100% certain that nothing we produce contains either Diacetyl or AP. right now we take whats on the MSDS sheets at face value, which is not ideal, and is the point Dr F is making in this study.

Getting all this testing done, is very expensive. If we need to get 100 flavours tested at £100 a test ...

This is what all vendors need to do to guarantee safety. This will drive all the fly by night vendors out to make a quick buck with their dodgy concentrates off the vaping scene and just leave the dedicated vendors left.

 

[Fubar1977]

This is what all vendors need to do to guarantee safety. This will drive all the fly by night vendors out to make a quick buck with their dodgy concentrates off the vaping scene and just leave the dedicated vendors left.

And will also totally destroy all the small, boutique juice makers overnight.

There is an argument to be made for tighter controls for sure but it must be applied sensibly and manageably or the only people left with deep enough pockets to meet the requirements will be large Tobacco firms.

And we know how concerned they are about what we inhale...

Regulation must be based on material evidence of a high likelihood of harm, not speculation and conjecture by people and organisations who clearly have their own agenda.

At the risk of repeating myself vaping is harm reduction not harm removal, if people are especially worried then stop vaping and avoid heavily built up areas and heavy industry too.

 

[gords1001]

Only if people get to know and understand about it.

I bet 90% of uk vapers are totally unaware of the potential risk, never mind that there are options. Forums/faceache groups represent a tiny proportion of the sum total of vapers out there, we are to a person, hobbyists on the forum, whilst there's a majority blissfully unaware, and supporting, unwittingly, the cowboys.

 

[Jase]

i never knew that diacetyl was in tabs. i've been keeping an eye on the whole debacle since i first read about it and was a bit paranoid about it. now i couldn't give a flying f**k anymore. cheers

My sentiments exactly i never knew either!
Time to take a deep breath & relax oh & vape!

 

[VaperCaper]

I definitely fall into the high risk category, but since part of my work can create mustard gas fumes, I used to smoke, I spend a lot of time stuck in traffic jams, or in cnc shops where the oil mist literally glues itself to any surface, my partner smokes, I work on vehicles, around c02 plants, up ladders or on trucks on windy days, I carry around 50kg of refrigerants, oxypropane, nitrogen, acetone, butane canisters.

Electric shocks are not unfamiliar, same with both heat burns and refrigerant burns. I fairly regularly work on "bomb test range 2 or munitions test bed 3, or have to retreat to a blast shelter in a quarry, fork lift trucks or reach trucks are a daily encounter, as are manuevering tractor/trailors, compressor swaps on a main road, or in foundries, climbing about in rafters or on cable ladders. High voltage electrical supplies, very high pressure gasses, never mind 30000 miles a year on Britain's road networks.


When you take all that into account, I really dont see that this requires all the fuss thats being attributed to it.

You're probably still at more risk driving to and from work

 

[VaperCaper]

And will also totally destroy all the small, boutique juice makers overnight.

There is an argument to be made for tighter controls for sure but it must be applied sensibly and manageably or the only people left with deep enough pockets to meet the requirements will be large Tobacco firms.

Exactly this.

I haven't got any GC-MS testing done yet because there is only so much cashflow, and given the choice of paying the insurance premiums or getting lots of GC-MS testing done ...

There's a huge gap in the market for a n other trade association to help and support smaller companies. I'd love to join ECITA but their cost is out of my budget.

While I'm sure that some other juice makers are doing better than I am, there probably isn't a huge difference between us.

 

[gords1001]

You're probably still at more risk driving to and from work

My recent crash can attest to that....