Unofficial diy allotment

[Simon G]

It has the characteristic colour change as well.

The colour thing is so odd.... I mixed these 4 bottles on the same day (14th) so 10 days ago.... 2 are the colour I would expect, one is very light and one is as good as clear... all the same 12mg nicotine level... the only difference is the flavourings used.

 

[zouzounaki]

Aye, it’s very interesting @Simon G . I’ve found that liquids with diacetyl have a very distinct colour that starts overnight.

The inw western blend was a strange one, fairly clear concentrate but the liquid went bright yellow immediately after shaking it.

 

[Simon G]

Aye, it’s very interesting @Simon G . I’ve found that liquids with diacetyl have a very distinct colour that starts overnight.

The inw western blend was a strange one, fairly clear concentrate but the liquid went bright yellow immediately after shaking it.

yeah, the darker big bottle looked really pink when I first mixed it too, it's gone more orange/brown now but it was super pink.

 

[zouzounaki]

The weirdest one is atmos labs mastiha. It’s a great concentrate. Straight out the bottle it’s colourless and slightly cloudy. Once it’s mixed it starts clear and gradually darkens, if you leave it long enough it turns almost black. But over that time it goes through different stages between being cloudy and crystal clear shades of orangey brown to deep dark red.

 

[Simon G]

The weirdest one is atmos labs mastiha. It’s a great concentrate. Straight out the bottle it’s colourless and slightly cloudy. Once it’s mixed it starts clear and gradually darkens, if you leave it long enough it turns almost black. But over that time it goes through different stages between being cloudy and crystal clear shades of orangey brown to deep dark red.

I used to think it was the nicotine making them go dark, which I suppose it still could be the nic reacting with the flavourings, I wonder how much different they would look nicotine free?

 

[Simon G]

I feel there's quite a lot happening that people don't really understand.

 

[zouzounaki]

I’m pretty sure in most cases it’s the nic and flavour concentrates reacting @Simon G . Freebase mic is quite unstable, I would imagine there are also unstable molecules in the concentrates that react with the nic. My theory is that this is why the steeping reaction doesn’t happen, or is severely limited, with nic salt. Because it’s less reactive, the unstable freebase nic has already reacted with whatever acid is used and become stable. Also why nic salt doesn’t seem to oxidise and darken if you leave it out of the freezer.

 

[Simon G]

I’m pretty sure in most cases it’s the nic and flavour concentrates reacting @Simon G . Freebase mic is quite unstable, I would imagine there are also unstable molecules in the concentrates that react with the nic. My theory is that this is why the steeping reaction doesn’t happen, or is severely limited, with nic salt. Because it’s less reactive, the unstable freebase nic has already reacted with whatever acid is used and become stable. Also why nic salt doesn’t seem to oxidise and darken if you leave it out of the freezer.

Right, and that Cherry Jellybean (the one that's stayed clear in my pic) for whatever reason just is more stable, it doesn't even look like the nic is doing anything. Do you think that means it's pointless 'steeping' that flavour as nothing is going to change flavour-wise? ... and the ones that change colour the most will change flavour the most? ... that kind of makes sense right?

 

[zouzounaki]

I think as a general guide that’s a good way to think about it. There are probably exceptions, though. If you notice that in addition to your cherry jellybean not changing colour, the flavour doesn’t develop either, I would assume it’s not reacting. It might still darken over the longer term if the nic is still prone to oxidise, though.

Dahut once posted an interesting article related to this, which looked at the reactions that happen during steeping and suggested that the nicotine reacting with certain flavours forms a different molecule, nicotyrine, which improves absorbption and makes the effect last longer. I have it bookmarked somewhere, if I find it I’ll post it in here.

So basically saying that well steeped liquid is better from the nic absorption point of view and more satisfying.

 

[zouzounaki]

Also, a few of us have experimented with mixing flavours with 72mg, and only adding vg and pg later. The findings were that the colour change happened more quickly, and seemed to speed up the process quite a bit. Which makes sense.