Vaporshark Test Every E-Liquid They Stock – Dr F Says They Are “Severely Problematic”

[kris73]

Good job, sir!

Edam.

 

[the grumpy vaper]

Good job, sir!

Edam.

Cheers kris!

#FavCheese - Edam, not bad.

Gonna put this on a new page as it's the final post previously:

 

[Rickster]

good work grumpy man...loving the debate..suppose it is better people within the industry do some sort of testing...whatever the motives..."there's no such thing as bad publicity"

 

[kingmoonie]

Good follow up and nice interview. He seemed pretty set on the 'greater good' angle but I still kinda feel they have an ulterior motive. Feel he tried to swerve some of your questions a little especially the one about moving forward, a bit like a politician, say the message you want to get across rather than answering the question directly. Difficult to believe they hadn't considered the negative consequences of doing this as well. Good work Grumpy dude.

 

[u8myufo]

Just posted on Cosmic Fog`s facebook group.



Hello Family,
We wanted to take a few minutes to address the recent test results posted by Vapor Shark on the levels of diacetyl and acetyl propionyl in several top e-Liquid brands and clear up any rumors you may have heard.
First, none of Cosmic Fog’s e-liquids tested positive for diacetyl. According to the Enthalpy test results, all Cosmic Fog e-liquids came back as NON DETECTABLE for diacetyl at the detection limit used. You can verify this here: Cosmic Fog E-Liquid (click “Buy Now” to pull up each result). Although exposure to diacetyl by ingestion as a food ingredient has been evaluated by experts, exposure to inhaled diacetyl has not been determined to be safe. Specifically, exposure to large amounts of inhaled diacetyl from certain work-place settings over many years (e.g., the microwave popcorn production and flavor manufacturing industries) has been documented to be associated with bronchiolitis obliterans, a severe respiratory illness commonly known as “Popcorn Lung”. But, it is important to recognize that while additional studies are necessary, no specific health risks have been established for diacetyl at the levels typically present in some e-liquid flavors. Nevertheless, although it is unknown if the levels in e-Liquids carry any particular risk we have always done our best to avoid the use of diacetyl in our products, as the Enthalpy results demonstrate.
What is acetyl propionyl and do any Cosmic Fog flavors contain it? Acetyl propionyl is a flavoring agent that is chemically identified as 2,3-pentanedione. After the risk of Popcorn Lung became associated with diacetyl, the majority of flavoring companies switched to 2,3-pentanedione as a replacement because of its chemical similarity. Of the 42 companies tested by Vapor Shark, 39 have at least one flavor which contains acetyl propionyl. Only two Cosmic Fog e-liquids are known to contain acetyl propionyl (Milk and Honey and Nutz), a fact which we have always known and shared with our customers who have asked, as we have all of our e-liquids tested.
Should I be worried about acetyl propionyl? This is the greatest question of them all. Acetyl propionyl is chemically very similar to diacetyl, which is why the flavor companies used it as a replacement, but it has not itself been directly linked to Popcorn Lung or other disorders in any human beings. Of course, more studies are needed, including long-term inhalation studies in humans. It is not banned or restricted by FDAor any government bodies. This lack of information does not immediately predicate safety or harm, the fact is we just don’t know.
What should we do about it? As of now Cosmic Fog is proud to be one of the first e-Liquid manufacturers determined to find out. We have retained a team of toxicologists and sent ours as well as several other companies e-Liquids to be analyzed. The main aspect this team will be focused on is comparing e-Liquid such as our own against the diacteyl and acetyl propionyl levels found in conventional cigarettes and their effect on the human lung. The important aspect of vaping we all focus on is harm reduction, if we are switching to vaping e-Liquids we want them to be healthier for us than smoking. This team will give us a definitive answer on how levels of acetyl propionyl found in e-Liquid compares against diaceytl levels in conventional tobacco.
We applaud Vapor Shark for taking the initiative to have these products tested. We encourage all e-liquid manufacturers and flavor suppliers to have their products independently tested by accredited laboratories using appropriate methodologies and detection limits. We also believe it is critical for e-liquid manufacturers to be transparent so that consumers are fully informed about their products, which is something Cosmic Fog has always strived to do. The safety of our loyal customers has always been our number one priority. We pride ourselves in always being one of the companies leading the charge in safer manufacturing practices and providing only the highest quality products available. Keep an eye out over the next several weeks as we release parts of what we are doing to revolutionize the manufacturing process for safer E-Liquids. Please SHARE this post on your walls and your favorite vape groups to SPREAD THE WORD.

 

[Mawsley]

It needs to be stated that none of this, nothing about any of the testing, can be trusted by consumers.

We demand sound science from Antz in their arguments, we should be demanding sound science when it comes to juice testing.

Until the point the wild fluctuations between testing companies are ironed out, until they stop giving a wink and a nod to prospective clients and until they make their processes a damn sight more intensive this data is worth shit. It is utterly, wholly irrelevant.

What do we know about that range of juices that we didn't know last month? Nothing.

Vaping is safer than smoking, vaping is not safe.

 

[scrumpox]

It needs to be stated that none of this, nothing about any of the testing, can be trusted by consumers.

We demand sound science from Antz in their arguments, we should be demanding sound science when it comes to juice testing.

Until the point the wild fluctuations between testing companies are ironed out, until they stop giving a wink and a nod to prospective clients and until they make their processes a damn sight more intensive this data is worth shit. It is utterly, wholly irrelevant.

What do we know about that range of juices that we didn't know last month? Nothing.

Vaping is safer than smoking, vaping is not safe.

Nicely put into context. For me this is all good to hear and I'm ravenous for more information.
More than just the testing itself, it's the furore it has created that means the most because enough companies, enough people and enough vapers are passionate enough to a. understand the problem and b. do something about it.
Whatever VaporShark's intentions are it remains true that transparency for the consumer is what's needed. The furore is one step closer to standardised and trustworthy testing. In parallel with this we're one step closer to knowing the real risks of vaping juices containing diacetyl, AP and others.
More than anything it has put testing into the spotlight, there's surely more to come from this story when juices are retested by other labs.

 

[Mawsley]

Nicely put into context. For me this is all good to hear and I'm ravenous for more information.
More than just the testing itself, it's the furore it has created that means the most because enough companies, enough people and enough vapers are passionate enough to a. understand the problem and b. do something about it.
Whatever VaporShark's intentions are it remains true that transparency for the consumer is what's needed. The furore is one step closer to standardised and trustworthy testing. In parallel with this we're one step closer to knowing the real risks of vaping juices containing diacetyl, AP and others.
More than anything it has put testing into the spotlight, there's surely more to come from this story when juices are retested by other labs.

I'm not sure it is a lot of vapers. 90%, I can't cite a source for this so it may well be totally bogus, of vapers do not engage with forums and social media. Out of the relative handful of us only a comparative few indulge in the vape dramas.

The last juice study only had around ten people posting in a thread on UKV...and even that died after a couple of weeks. I get the feeling that the bulk hear stuff like this, shrug and go "well, it's still better than smoking".

 

[cheersm8]

It wouldn't be a bad thing, if analysis of e-liquids established the basics before leaping into the molecular analysis of the chemical constituents.
What I mean is, a good place to start, as far as establishing potential health issues, would be to back track to simple agar plate analysis to rule out, or confirm, the presence of any potentially pathogenic, virus's, bacteria, moulds, and yeasts and determine whether any of these are present at all and whether e-liquids are potential carriers. Get that done and dusted first, it's cheap and easy analysis, then move on to the more demanding stuff.
My hunch is that e-liquids are a sterile environment, but I'm not a biologist.

 

[scrumpox]

I'm not sure it is a lot of vapers. 90%, I can't cite a source for this so it may well be totally bogus, of vapers do not engage with forums and social media. Out of the relative handful of us only a comparative few indulge in the vape dramas.

The last juice study only had around ten people posting in a thread on UKV...and even that died after a couple of weeks. I get the feeling that the bulk hear stuff like this, shrug and go "well, it's still better than smoking".

Twas ever thus Mawsley. It takes the handful to do so the majority benefit. The sheep just watch and follow or stick their heads back in the bucket ... and it is still better than smoking.

It wouldn't be a bad thing, if analysis of e-liquids established the basics before leaping into the molecular analysis of the chemical constituents.
What I mean is, a good place to start, as far as establishing potential health issues, would be to back track to simple agar plate analysis to rule out, or confirm, the presence of any potentially pathogenic, virus's, bacteria, moulds, and yeasts and determine whether any of these are present at all and whether e-liquids are potential carriers. Get that done and dusted first, it's cheap and easy analysis, then move on to the more demanding stuff.
My hunch is that e-liquids are a sterile environment, but I'm not a biologist.

Manufacturing in a sterile environment should be a given, shouldn't it?
I'm much less concerned about all that, given the presence of PG and that we're vaporising the juice before inhaling. It might however sort out those amateur kitchen mixers from the ones using professional clean rooms and proper procedures. That said, I'm very happy making my own at home and wouldn't pay £4-5 or more for 10mls of someone else' work from a similar environment.