An alternative view on disposables and harm reduction

[Ryu]

I wouldn't know and I'm not a fan of them but surely if switching to a disposable got someone off smoking that's better than them continuing to smoke.

This 100%. For me it had nothing to do with "can't be too bothered", every vaper i have met has personally asked me for a cigarette on multiple occasions. To me it wasn't something that was effective so there was no incentive to spend £50 getting all the equipment and research to try something that I had no confidence in. I only ever used 2 disposables to reduce my smoking and once it proved effective, I already had a device on its way.

They provide a cheap hassle free gateway to vaping that significantly reduced my smoking and can for many others.

 

[zouzounaki]

This 100%. For me it had nothing to do with "can't be too bothered", every vaper i have met has personally asked me for a cigarette on multiple occasions. To me it wasn't something that was effective so there was no incentive to spend £50 getting all the equipment and research to try something that I had no confidence in. I only ever used 2 disposables to reduce my smoking and once it proved effective, I already had a device on its way.

They provide a cheap hassle free gateway to vaping that significantly reduced my smoking and can for many others.

but there is no need to spend £50. you can buy a cheap and decent device for the same price as three or four disposables and often get free postage and eliquid thrown in. then if it doesn’t work out for you you can give it to somebody else.

you say it’s nothing to do with “can’t be bothered”, but later describe it as “hassle free”. so clearly it is to do with bother.

 

[Ryu]

but there is no need to spend £50. you can buy a cheap and decent device for the same price as three or four disposables and often get free postage and eliquid thrown in. then if it doesn’t work out for you you can give it to somebody else.

you say it’s nothing to do with “can’t be bothered”, but later describe it as “hassle free”. so clearly it is to do with bother.

When you have no confidence in the effectiveness of something, putting effort into it is hassle. Disposables provide 0 effort to try and minimum financial cost to try. That's not an issue of laziness, it's an opinion that the investment of time is not of any personal value.

 

[zouzounaki]

When you have no confidence in the effectiveness of something, putting effort into it is hassle. Disposables provide 0 effort to try and minimum financial cost to try. That's not an issue of laziness, it's an opinion that the investment of time is not of any personal value.

the effort of putting liquid in it and switching it on? no, that’s not a very convincing argument. it’s hardly more effort than opening a packet of fags and lighting one, or making a roll up.

 

[Ryu]

the effort of putting liquid in it and switching it on? no, that’s not a very convincing argument. it’s hardly more effort than opening a packet of fags and lighting one, or making a roll up.

You're not thinking from the perspective of a smoker but that of a vaper. I had to spend many hours researching vapes, reviews, differences in sub ohm, differences in freebase and salts, eliquid brands, battery safety, coils ect and then joined this forum to find out more.

None of this was required for smoking. There is a large investment to vaping, definitely worth the time. If by your statement, I was too lazy and couldn't be bothered because I tried with a disposable, why am I doing it all now?

 

[Miss Pepper]

Many of us started vaping with an ego pen style system. The pen cost me £10 from a newsagents and the eliquid £4.99 from a tobacconist, back then it was nearly 3 packs of fags. I could have used a cigalike, as many others did, but I never liked the taste of tobacco. I didn't do any research and was prepared to take the risk that it didn't do anything for me.

Even now, years later I buy juice that's £1 a bottle and tend to pay about £10 for a new bit of kit.

I can see why people are fed up with disposables as in a way it's a step backwards, only with more flavour options. Why not have them as rechargeable, a bottle of juice to fill the pod and the same initial cost; it's possible as plenty of places do it.

I've said for years, vaping can be as cheap or expensive as the user wants it to be, providing it keeps them off the smokes that's all that counts.

 

[Ryu]

Many of us started vaping with an ego pen style system. The pen cost me £10 from a newsagents and the eliquid £4.99 from a tobacconist, back then it was nearly 3 packs of fags. I could have used a cigalike, as many others did, but I never liked the taste of tobacco. I didn't do any research and was prepared to take the risk that it didn't do anything for me.

Even now, years later I buy juice that's £1 a bottle and tend to pay about £10 for a new bit of kit.

I can see why people are fed up with disposables as in a way it's a step backwards, only with more flavour options. Why not have them as rechargeable, a bottle of juice to fill the pod and the same initial cost; it's possible as plenty of places do it.

I've said for years, vaping can be as cheap or expensive as the user wants it to be, providing it keeps them off the smokes that's all that counts.

I can't see it as a step backwards when it now cost me half the price of a cigarette packet and requires nothing more than pulling out a plastic plug. Let's say you are out and forget your coil, liquid, no charge or means to charge your kit. You now have the option to use a disposable rather than buy an entire packet of cigarettes and risk going back to smoking since you now have a pack on you. They are an effective gateway and emergency backup but I dont believe they should be used as a permanent solution.

 

[Phrasing]

Part of the environmental ramifications argument imo is that regardless of the intentions of the end user the companies shifting out loads of these products should be doing more to combat the waste issue that they're causing.

Discounts for bringing back used disposables is the obvious way forward but even if all disposables brands started implementing such schemes today it would be a case of too little too late.

My biggest concern is the long term affect on the vape community at large.
how long will it be before countries start imposing riddiculous restrictions on vaping as a whole citing disposables and their affect on the enviroment as an excuse.

It's all well and good to say getting people off cigarettes is more important than recycling but weather you agree with that or not, no one is going to be able to quit with vaping if they get banned, given what's happened in some Asian and European countries already if governments are going to start dropping the ban hammer they aren't going to care to discern which types of vapes are the "problem"

Most users would have a similar if not superior experience with small rechargeable pod systems like the caliburn range. But information is being spread by word of mouth that disposables are the most convenient way to quit smoking.

I personally am against disposables for many reasons. i think they are terrible value for money and honestly just not very good.
If when I quit smoking these things were all that was available, I don't think I would have been able to quit.

 

[Chris K]

And also a lot of the packaging styling i think.

Their advertising maybe an issue aswell…

 

[Ryu]

Their advertising maybe an issue aswell…

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This doesn't seem to be exclusive to disposables though, this article is putting brands like dinner lady under fire as well as flavours of eliquids associating to kids such as fizzy drinks and sweets.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...geting-children-flavours-resemble-sweets.html

Possibly we will see a branding ban like they did with cigarettes to make vaping less attractive.