An alternative view on disposables and harm reduction

[zouzounaki]

But in this case along with many others his position has shifted.....that's fine business is business....but to lack the insight, demonise a vaping product again as many have done under various disguises only to end up realising that they /we are one family shows to me at least a contempt for vaping as a whole.

he’s realised that in a few years that’s all there will be. but what he’s no realised is that he will be irrelevant, because no cunt will care. the disposable mob prefer to get their info from 12 year old influencers on tiktok. poor cunt will be back on the panel

 

[Rickster]

he’s realised that in a few years that’s all there will be.

Don't give me that shite....... every eliquid manufacturer has moved site to bigger n better premises multiple times...... a threat ...yes (follow the money)....as starter kits go.... yes ...they may well be all that's available is that such a bad thing... but the end of vaping....ffs

 

[Ryu]

then what are we disagreeing about?

Disposables. You said that alternatively I/smokers that want to stop should get a cheap simple device, thats exactly what a disposable is.

 

[zouzounaki]

Disposables. You said that alternatively I/smokers that want to stop should get a cheap simple device, thats exactly what a disposable is.

i think you’ve misunderstood.

 

[Ryu]

i think you’ve misunderstood.

No not at all. I've explained to you that choice of using disposables to try vaping was not laziness as per your opinion. Your answer to the investment of time to choose the right device is to buy a cheap simple device which is exactly what a disposable is.

In practice, using disposables means that I have bought 2 x 370mAh vapes (neither disposed, both stored until can be recycled). Hardly a detrimental impact on the environment or a financial hardship.

As I said prior, the negatives of disposables are only valid when they are used by people as a permanent way to vape. I see more benefit in encouraging retailers to promote them as a short term gateway to vaping than to condemn and lobby a ban on a type of vaping which ultimately has the potential to extend to vaping as a whole.

 

[Deleted member 54254]

It's your choice as you say, some folk like to pick apart your life choices but that's on them.

 

[zouzounaki]

No not at all. I've explained to you that choice of using disposables to try vaping was not laziness as per your opinion. Your answer to the investment of time to choose the right device is to buy a cheap simple device which is exactly what a disposable is.

In practice, using disposables means that I have bought 2 x 370mAh vapes (neither disposed, both stored until can be recycled). Hardly a detrimental impact on the environment or a financial hardship.

As I said prior, the negatives of disposables are only valid when they are used by people as a permanent way to vape. I see more benefit in encouraging retailers to promote them as a short term gateway to vaping than to condemn and lobby a ban on a type of vaping which ultimately has the potential to extend to vaping as a whole.

you said:

disposables are useful so’s people don’t spend £50 on a device that might not work.

i said:

there’s no need to spend £50, you can buy a cheap, simple reusable device for the price of three or four disposables.


this was in the context of discussing whether disposables have some kind of utility that isn’t already available.they don’t, other than being even less hassle than low hassle devices, for people who can’t be bothered.

but you can see how your point that buying a disposable is doing what i suggested isn’t really right, unless you misunderstood me?

 

[Ryu]

you said:

disposables are useful so’s people don’t spend £50 on a device that might not work.

i said:

there’s no need to spend £50, you can buy a cheap, simple reusable device for the price of three or four disposables.


this was in the context of discussing whether disposables have some kind of utility that isn’t already available.they don’t, other than being even less hassle than low hassle devices, for people who can’t be bothered.

but you can see how your point that buying a disposable is doing what i suggested isn’t really right, unless you misunderstood me?

It's making a point. You assume that people are lazy not to have a permanent device. Yet when I explain to you the investment of time, your suggestion is to cut all the corners (don't bother) by getting something simple.

Yes I know you refer to rechargeable devices, but your advice to go for something simple contradicts your opinion of people choosing a disposable because they can't be bothered.

Explain to me what is better about buying a first time device that can be charged in comparison to a disposable?

If I like either I'm going to buy a new more efficient device soon after. If I don't like them then they will both become waste. Whether disposable or rechargeable, the impact is identical.

 

[Ryu]

It's your choice as you say, some folk like to pick apart your life choices but that's on them.

For sure, I will never feel guilty for buying 2 pens at first. Anyone that has owned more than 3 devices or spare batteries has made a larger negative impact on the environment than me through vaping. It's good to have other perspectives though.

 

[zouzounaki]

It's making a point. You assume that people are lazy not to have a permanent device. Yet when I explain to you the investment of time, your suggestion is to cut all the corners (don't bother) by getting something simple.

Yes I know you refer to rechargeable devices, but your advice to go for something simple contradicts your opinion of people choosing a disposable because they can't be bothered.

Explain to me what is better about buying a first time device that can be charged in comparison to a disposable?

If I like either I'm going to buy a new more efficient device soon after. If I don't like them then they will both become waste. Whether disposable or rechargeable, the impact is identical.

there is not necessarily any investment of time. when i quit smoking i bought an istick pico. i just put a battery in, charged it up and filled it with liquid. easy. there is no reason that i couldn’t have just stopped there, and bought more liquid when i ran out. no need to know anything, other than where to buy liquid and coils for it. now, you can get devices that are even simpler and cheaper.

and the advantage to buying a refillable device, rather than disposables, to try it out, is that if you like it you can just continue using it. obvious surely?

i think yours is the same argument that’s been made before in favour of disposables, which in fact is arguing that they offer something new that actually already existed.