An alternative view on disposables and harm reduction

[zouzounaki]

Don't give me that shite....... every eliquid manufacturer has moved site to bigger n better premises multiple times...... a threat ...yes (follow the money)....as starter kits go.... yes ...they may well be all that's available is that such a bad thing... but the end of vaping....ffs

i’m no sure what you say is true.

 

[Ryu]

there is not necessarily any investment of time. when i quit smoking i bought an istick pico. i just put a battery in, charged it up and filled it with liquid. easy. there is no reason that i couldn’t have just stopped there, and bought more liquid when i ran out. no need to know anything, other than where to buy liquid and coils for it. now, you can get devices that are even simpler and cheaper.

and the advantage to buying a refillable device, rather than disposables, to try it out, is that if you like it you can just continue using it. obvious surely?

i think yours is the same argument that’s been made before in favour of disposables, which in fact is arguing that they offer something new that actually already existed.

The reality is that you didnt stop there and the device you started on has the same impact as a disposable to try and quit the habit.

You say its obvious but most people don't continue with their first device and therefore have the same impact as a disposable creating waste.

If you think that then I would recommend you go and re read our conversation from the start. Only stance I have presented is that I believe they should be regulated better for their benefits and not lobbied for banning as this opens the door to multiple bans across vaping as a whole.

 

[zouzounaki]

The reality is that you didnt stop there and the device you started on has the same impact as a disposable to try and quit the habit.

You say its obvious but most people don't continue with their first device and therefore have the same impact as a disposable creating waste.

If you think that then I would recommend you go and re read our conversation from the start. Only stance I have presented is that I believe they should be regulated better for their benefits and not lobbied for banning as this opens the door to multiple bans across vaping as a whole.

when you say most people don’t continue with the same device, are you talking about the kind of people who post here, or the general population?

also, your argument rests on an assumption that most people who use disposables use them to quit smoking, and quickly move on to non disposable devices. but i don’t think this is a safe assumption to make.

as for myself, since you used me as an example, have put a total of four batteries in battery recycling boxes in the six years since i quit smoking, and currently have four 18650s in rotation and two internal battery mods. no plans to buy any more in the foreseeable future.

had i been using disposables that would have been about 2000 batteries disposed of.

 

[vapervince]

Disposables have been around for ages, the problem now seems to be with proliferation, some people are making a lot of money out of them and the marketing guys have latched on.
As I see it the only people who have anything against disposables at the moment are us hobby vapers and when the shit hits the fan, as it inevitably will over either kiddies buying them or environmental issues or whatever, it will be us hobby vapers who will catch the flak, be tarred with the same brush, whatever.
You can bet your last ha`penny that any legislation to control or ban disposables will have some knock on effects to us vapers so maybe we should be careful what we wish for.

 

[Netvaper]

If you classify a disposable as one that can't be recharged and the pod can't be refilled or replaced then manufacturers should at least offer, or at best replace them, with devices that can be recharged with a sealed replaceable pod. That would keep the ease of use and the flavours available you get with a disposable, in a very short space of time save the user money and have a significantly better impact on the environment.

 

[Deleted member 54254]

You can wail and gnash your teeth all you like (did so myself in the past) but they're here, I don't see why we're getting all hot and bothered about it, they're not aimed at us. Would you rather the people who buy them smoked?

 

[vapervince]

If you classify a disposable as one that can't be recharged and the pod can't be refilled or replaced then manufacturers should at least offer, or at best replace them, with devices that can be recharged with a sealed replaceable pod. That would keep the ease of use and the flavours available you get with a disposable, in a very short space of time save the user money and have a significantly better impact on the environment.

If the manufacturers could earn as much with the devices you suggest and not incurr any extra costs, I`m sure they would do it in a heartbeat.
The manufactures loyalty is to their bank balance, they would happily sell shit with sugar on if it turned a quid

 

[Netvaper]

If the manufacturers could earn as much with the devices you suggest and not incurr any extra costs, I`m sure they would do it in a heartbeat.
The manufactures loyalty is to their bank balance, they would happily sell shit with sugar on if it turned a quid

In which case it is quite possible legislation may do it for them.

 

[zouzounaki]

Disposables have been around for ages, the problem now seems to be with proliferation, some people are making a lot of money out of them and the marketing guys have latched on.
As I see it the only people who have anything against disposables at the moment are us hobby vapers and when the shit hits the fan, as it inevitably will over either kiddies buying them or environmental issues or whatever, it will be us hobby vapers who will catch the flak, be tarred with the same brush, whatever.
You can bet your last ha`penny that any legislation to control or ban disposables will have some knock on effects to us vapers so maybe we should be careful what we wish for.

i think there are more than vape hobbyists opposed to them. this article appeared on the bbc the other week, and there’s more in the news this week about govt ministers talking about banning them.

in urban areas they are a real problem. it’s quite affluent in places round here but there are a lot of students and the streets are literally littered with them, you can’t walk along a street without seeing at least one discarded and usually more. no doubt the neighbourhood watch are up to high doe.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-63037553.amp

 

[zouzounaki]

Would you rather the people who buy them smoked?

to be honest, i don’t care. they can smoke if they want. but a lot of them didn’t smoke in the first place anyway.