An alternative view on disposables and harm reduction

[Deleted member 54254]

And? What's your point caller? I just see you taking a big shit on this thread... I look forward to you cherrypicking and quoting bits of this post out of context too. Guess what, I don't care either.

 

[Ryu]

when you say most people don’t continue with the same device, are you talking about the kind of people who post here, or the general population?

also, your argument rests on an assumption that most people who use disposables use them to quit smoking, and quickly move on to non disposable devices. but i don’t think this is a safe assumption to make.

as for myself, since you used me as an example, have put a total of four batteries in battery recycling boxes in the six years since i quit smoking, and currently have four 18650s in rotation and two internal battery mods. no plans to buy any more in the foreseeable future.

had i been using disposables that would have been about 2000 batteries disposed of.

Gen pop.

I'm not assuming they all quick switch, that’s pretty funny considering that when I asked for advice on nicotine free vapes to get my partner off using disposables permanently, the only advice you offered was don't vape . I'm suggesting, as I have multiple times in this thread now, that they should be regulated this way rather than an outright ban.

You used yourself as an example stating the simple device you used and that you could of stopped there. I merely pointed out that you didn't as I suspect the vast majority didn't.

 

[zouzounaki]

And? What's your point caller? I just see you taking a big shit on this thread... I look forward to you cherrypicking and quoting bits of this post out of context too. Guess what, I don't care either.

it allows you to selectively quote from a post because that’s how quoting something works. you quote the relevant bit. i was only replying to that statement so it would be a bit confusing to quote your whole post.

but sorry, i didn’t realise you started this thread hoping everyone would agree with you. it seemed like an interesting discussion. but that requires different opinions and views. someone else having a different point of view from yours isn’t something you need to take personally.

Gen pop.

I'm not assuming they all quick switch, that’s pretty funny considering that when I asked for advice on nicotine free vapes to get my partner off using disposables permanently, the only advice you offered was don't vape . I'm suggesting, as I have multiple times in this thread now, that they should be regulated this way rather than an outright ban.

i did, aye. i think it’s a valid point of view, that it’s better for people who aren’t addicted to fags not to start vaping. i don’t think i’m the only person here who thinks that.

You used yourself as an example stating the simple device you used and that you could have stopped there. I merely pointed out that you didn't as I suspect the vast majority didn't.

i’m not sure you are right on this, i suspect the majority of people who vape aren’t filling their cupboards with stuff and buying vape gear all the time. nobody i know in real life who chucked smoking with vaping do it, and i know quite a few at this point. none of them even build coils or make diy liquid. they have a device they use, and buy coils and liquid. if it breaks they get a new one.

 

[Ryu]

it allows you to selectively quote from a post because that’s how quoting something works. you quote the relevant bit. i was only replying to that statement so it would be a bit confusing to quote your whole post.

but sorry, i didn’t realise you started this thread hoping everyone would agree with you. it seemed like an interesting discussion. but that requires different opinions and views. someone else having a different point of view from yours isn’t something you need to take personally.



i did, aye. i think it’s a valid point of view, that it’s better for people who aren’t addicted to fags not to start vaping. i don’t think i’m the only person here who thinks that.



i’m not sure you are right on this, i suspect the majority of people who vape aren’t filling their cupboards with stuff and buying vape gear all the time. nobody i know in real life who chucked smoking with vaping do it, and i know quite a few at this point. none of them even build coils or make diy liquid. they have a device they use, and buy coils and liquid. if it breaks they get a new one.

So you're fully aware of the conversation and I can only assume able to read my previous posts where I state that I believe that they should be used in the way I have. Yet you responded to me by taking my words out of context saying that I believe everyone uses them how I do?

Twisting peoples words and taking things out of context isn't exactly an open discussion with consideration of others views is it? Whilst you are completely entitled to stay firm on your views and disregard others by changing what they have said, it seems slightly hypocritical considering your response to John.

 

[zouzounaki]

So you're fully aware of the conversation and I can only assume able to read my previous posts where I state that I believe that they should be used in the way I have. Yet you responded to me by taking my words out of context saying that I believe everyone uses them how I do?

Twisting peoples words and taking things out of context isn't exactly an open discussion with consideration of others views is it? Whilst you are completely entitled to stay firm on your views and disregard others by changing what they have said, it seems slightly hypocritical considering your response to John.

i’ve not taken your words out of context at all. if you look back, you will see that what i said was that i don’t believe most people are using them in the way you describe. the fact that more than a million of them are sold every week would seem to confirm this.

you can believe they should be used any way you like, but that won’t have any affect on how people actually use them.

 

[Ryu]

i’ve not taken your words out of context at all. if you look back, you will see that what i said was that i don’t believe most people are using them in the way you describe. the fact that more than a million of them are sold every week would seem to confirm this.

you can believe they should be used any way you like, but that won’t have any affect on how people actually use them.

You have, on multiple occasions. It doesn't matter, it just makes a boring discussion when your arguments are founded on things that were never said.

No not as an individual, this is something that would need the support of the vaping community to influence towards retailers. Some already have stated that they stock them but do so responsibly and strongly advise customers away from them as a permanent solution.

 

[zouzounaki]

No not as an individual, this is something that would need the support of the vaping community to influence towards retailers. Some already have stated that they stock them but do so responsibly and strongly advise customers away from them as a permanent solution.

i just don’t see how this would be workable. many, or even most, of them are sold in corner shops, petrol stations and suchlike. a lot of the people that use them have no interest in using them as a transition to another different device, and what would be the point? the other different device is hardly more expensive up front and much cheaper in the long run.

you think it would be possible for the vaping “community” to police whether individual people were using disposables beyond the first one or two to see if they liked it?

 

[Ryu]

i just don’t see how this would be workable. many, or even most, of them are sold in corner shops, petrol stations and suchlike. a lot of the people that use them have no interest in using them as a transition to another different device, and what would be the point? the other different device is hardly more expensive up front and much cheaper in the long run.

you think it would be possible for the vaping “community” to police whether individual people were using disposables beyond the first one or two to see if they liked it?

Its a view mate, how effective has your ban view been against disposables? Even this forum that is run strongly against them is plastered with advertisements for them.

I didnt say the vaping Community could police people. But from what I've seen on here, the views have clearly influenced some of the vaping retailers stances on them.

 

[zouzounaki]

Its a view mate, how effective has your ban view been against disposables? Even this forum that is run strongly against them is plastered with advertisements for them.

I didnt say the vaping Community could police people. But from what I've seen on here, the views have clearly influenced some of the vaping retailers stances on them.

i’m not saying your view isn’t effective, i’m saying the idea can’t work.

i don’t really care whether they are banned or not to be fair, but it would be nice to go out for a walk and not see the stupid things scattered about the floor. i don’t think i’ve ever seen a person with one about here that looked older than 25. it might be a problem unique to where i live that it’s schoolies and students exclusively using them and throwing them at their arse when they are finished. the idea that more than a million of these are being sold a week is a bit depressing, when that’s where most of them will end up.

 

[Ryu]

i’m not saying your view isn’t effective, i’m saying the idea can’t work.

i don’t really care whether they are banned or not to be fair, but it would be nice to go out for a walk and not see the stupid things scattered about the floor. i don’t think i’ve ever seen a person with one about here that looked older than 25. it might be a problem unique to where i live that it’s schoolies and students exclusively using them and throwing them at their arse when they are finished. the idea that more than a million of these are being sold a week is a bit depressing, when that’s where most of them will end up.

Well the idea can only work if enough people care enough to do something about it. I know there will be some on here that will care enough as I recall some sending angry emails to suppliers.

Realistically you would start boycotting irresponsible businesses as if you boycotted everyone that sells them you'd severely limit your own options.