And so it begins. California kills vaping

[mannikon]

It's not just vaping, interesting snippet here from a US think tank: http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/too-many-laws-too-much-regulation

(they want to ban yoga pants, the bastards)

 

[Tubbyengineer]

Wow, them Septics are bloody mad!

But let’s not assume that it is just the Left that wants the state to inject itself into our personal lives. Conservatives have been all too willing to legislate their moral preferences, especially when it comes to sexual behavior. How else can you read the fact that Alabama outlaws sex toys? In Michigan, the state senate has just passed legislation making oral sex, even among married heterosexual couples, a felony. Some New Hampshire legislators are busy trying to prohibit topless sunbathing on the state’s beaches. And Montana lawmakers recently considered a proposal to ban yoga pants, under the state’s indecency laws. A handful of states still prohibit the sale of alcohol on Sundays.

 

[conanthewarrior]

Doesn't sound good, it seems like they have bought it up to the age you can buy cigarettes if I understand it correctly?

I don't condone underage smoking, but that makes me a hypocrite as I, like many others, started smoking at a younger age.
I would much rather that a teen is safely (That is a main thing, safely) using a mod than smoking cigarettes though.

 

[stewbacca]

Land of the free my arse. Did make me think of this http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1323385/posts though, even though it's quite old. Banning yoga pants is just cruel.

 

[Ment]

It's just a blip, vaping can't be stopped now. California has some big suppliers and legal challenges will see this overturned. Without nicotine in the mix, vaping is impossible to define - breathing in coffee fumes from a cup is no different to vaping coffee flavoured eliquid, so clever lawyers will tear this bill to pieces.

Vaping will continue to grow and even the dictatorships will have to accept it. Countries where production is legal will produce goods and the Black Markets will supply them. Cigarette and pharmaceutical sales will fall and governments will have no choice but to accept vaping.

We have little to worry about here and vaping advocates will cite the UK as a precedent - we still carry a lot of weight and we will show the world the benefits of vaping.

 

[nikki from mars]

Follow the money this allows them to gain revenue from vapers... the whole no nicotine thing is a little bizarre... we all know that vaping is generally entirely tobacco free.. but they really cant prevent someone just buying vg and food flavoring as they are available for other purposes so absolutely impossible to police in that regard... is seemingly all about the public area of using a device that may look like smoking.. bear in mind that in california you are not allowed to smoke in most public areas and that would seem to be where they are working from because the uninitiated cannot tell whether one is vaping or smoking unless they are in very close proximity

 

[mannikon]

It's just a blip, vaping can't be stopped now. California has some big suppliers and legal challenges will see this overturned. Without nicotine in the mix, vaping is impossible to define - breathing in coffee fumes from a cup is no different to vaping coffee flavoured eliquid, so clever lawyers will tear this bill to pieces.

Vaping will continue to grow and even the dictatorships will have to accept it. Countries where production is legal will produce goods and the Black Markets will supply them. Cigarette and pharmaceutical sales will fall and governments will have no choice but to accept vaping.

We have little to worry about here and vaping advocates will cite the UK as a precedent - we still carry a lot of weight and we will show the world the benefits of vaping.

Hope you're right!

 

[tppp]

It's just a blip, vaping can't be stopped now.

Yes it can be, you're about to see it happen in Belgium: importing and online sales have both been banned along with a €4000 per product notification system about to come in (that *includes* coils - not just tanks/juices/etc).

That will be replicated across the EU.

California has some big suppliers and legal challenges will see this overturned.

Here's hoping, but that kind of thing will take years (just look at the poor sod in Australia that got shafted in court over ecigs. Court action is not a quick process.

without nicotine in the mix, vaping is impossible to define

FDA and EU have both defined vaping well enough to control it, we are the only EU country not to include 0mg liquids.

breathing in coffee fumes from a cup is no different to vaping coffee flavoured eliquid, so clever lawyers will tear this bill to pieces.

Cleverer lawyers will point out that you don't use an atomiser and cotton to brew coffee.

Vaping will continue to grow and even the dictatorships will have to accept it. Countries where production is legal will produce goods and the Black Markets will supply them. Cigarette and pharmaceutical sales will fall and governments will have no choice but to accept vaping.

Sigh, I hope you don't have any money in this.

We have little to worry about here and vaping advocates will cite the UK as a precedent.

We have a lot of pro-vaping science in the UK but make no mistake, the upcoming referendum is a massive part of why we have soft touch regs, you can expect 0mg to become regulated at some point and all but massive companies to be pushed put of the market.

 

[tppp]

Follow the money

If too many smokers stop buying cigarettes then the tobacco firms are able to reduce their Tobacco Master Settlement payments. Calif' (and others) sold gov't backed bonds based on the idea that tobacco sales will never fall below a certain level - which they likely wouldn't, but then vaping happened.

Reduced TMS payments would bankrupt California.

 

[nikki from mars]

@tppp yep tobacco are a big anti vape market in some respects but compared to big pharma... most big tobacco companies in the US could spin it and make money either way...