Are we Wrong to Lockdown?

[Enoch]

Aye, and treat the elderly like lepers? you obviously have not read any of the latest medical info.

1 It's not only the elderly that are susceptable, perfectly healthy folk are being left with lifetime health issues due to this virus. ( Long Covid) Heart, Brain and abdominal cases)

2 We don't know the long term affects on various organs.

3 There is no proof of any immunity other than 2- 3mths so far, and at least a couple of folk have now been unlucky enough to catch it twice.

you say treat them like lepers yet they are on average the age group that will die from the virus. It isn't affecting young people in the same way as old.

So let me put it this way, restricting industry, costing many young people a job is a fair price to pay for protecting someone who is 85? fine in the short term absolutely but 3 months from now, should we still have thousands out of work or should we go back to relative normality with protections in place

When you say long term health issues, anyhting at any point can have long term health issues. Yet again the recovery rate is something like 99% itself, any long term or lingering effects would be a rare example rather than an expected one.

If you take a step back, us wearing masks, social distancing, closing pubs after 10, can't see friends and family, it is all designed not to stop people getting sick as such, it is to protect those people dying, those same people who aren't really affected by the regulations. Which is a bitter irony, the restrictions don't affect the people they are designed to protect.

So why not protect them in a direct way and allow things to go back to normal, even with mild restrictions such as masks and that in place? All of that for the sickness front now fine, no issue , i wear one most places anyway.

Look at New Zealand, an island same as us, they closed borders before covid got a hold. We didn't even test people coming into the country.
I agree with you on your idea but people are just stupid and think it won't kill me or I won't get it.
Last week I had to travel on a bus to work, first time out in 5 months.
Two pensioners sat on seats, one turning round chatting to other one, the one turned round had a mask on his chin FFS.

to some extent you have to apply accountability in something like this. Offer the vaccine, if someone doesn't take it and dies, own fault. Don't follow guidelines over 60 and catch virus as a direct result, own fault.

The thing is even with these measures, people are still getting sick. so maybe accepting that fact rather than trying your best to avoid it is silly after you understand it now. I'm personally not concerned if i catch it. doesn't mean i won't get sick, or have a bad time of it (hopefully vaping helps on that front!) but i know i won't die or probably need hospital treatment. Still take the measures advised and act like a good little englishman short of grassing people up.

 

[zouzounaki]

So why not protect them in a direct way and allow things to go back to normal, even with mild restrictions such as masks and that in place?

you’ve not outlined what these protective measures you are proposing actually consist of. given that old people live in the same world as the rest of us, and in a lot of cases need to interact with younger people to get food etc, looked after and suchlike, do you think it might be that your proposal is actually impossible?

 

[Enoch]

you’ve not outlined what these protective measures you are proposing actually consist of. given that old people live in the same world as the rest of us, and in a lot of cases need to interact with younger people to get food etc, looked after and suchlike, do you think it might be that your proposal is actually impossible?

shielding at home.

Limited interaction with others during a pandemic.

Systems set up to be able to connect anyone over a certain age to the world such as food and care, which care is already set up (so harder measures on care workers to keep safe). so you provide care, food, protection and shielding for those at most risk of dying.

Neither of those are too difficult to implement, especially given how easy it was for covid wardens to be set up to chase groups of 7 out of the park.

Easy isn't it? And not at all impossible.

If you are over the age of x then by all means go out if you want to, but you accept the risk that comes with it.

 

[TheLiqidator]

you’ve not outlined what these protective measures you are proposing actually consist of. given that old people live in the same world as the rest of us, and in a lot of cases need to interact with younger people to get food etc, looked after and suchlike, do you think it might be that your proposal is actually impossible?

Sounds like Hancocks reach around he gave the care homes to me.

 

[zouzounaki]

shielding at home.

Limited interaction with others during a pandemic.

Systems set up to be able to connect anyone over a certain age to the world such as food and care, which care is already set up (so harder measures on care workers to keep safe). so you provide care, food, protection and shielding for those at most risk of dying.

Neither of those are too difficult to implement, especially given how easy it was for covid wardens to be set up to chase groups of 7 out of the park.

Easy isn't it? And not at all impossible.

If you are over the age of x then by all means go out if you want to, but you accept the risk that comes with it.

what makes you think this would work, and that there aren’t any holes in it?

 

[Enoch]

what makes you think this would work, and that there aren’t any holes in it?

I haven't exactly listed a step by step guide there fella, if i knew the logistics then i would be paid far more than i do now.

Given the alternative is shut the country down or restrict business, job losses, business losses, home losses etc for large amounts of the population that will take years to recover from.

You know, its the biggest age group likely to die vs everyone else running the country. One has to win eventually because you can't balance them forever

 

[Simon G]

Wrong? .... I don't know, I'm not sure it's really about right and wrong.

Is it the most effective way of reducing deaths? ... or does it just postpone deaths?

 

[zouzounaki]

I haven't exactly listed a step by step guide there fella, if i knew the logistics then i would be paid far more than i do now.

Given the alternative is shut the country down or restrict business, job losses, business losses, home losses etc for large amounts of the population that will take years to recover from.

You know, its the biggest age group likely to die vs everyone else running the country. One has to win eventually because you can't balance them forever

i would assume it’s not possible, because if it was they would surely have done it rather than a reluctant, late and half arsed lockdown.

 

[Leni]

shielding at home.

Limited interaction with others during a pandemic.

Systems set up to be able to connect anyone over a certain age to the world such as food and care, which care is already set up (so harder measures on care workers to keep safe). so you provide care, food, protection and shielding for those at most risk of dying.

Easy isn't it? And not at all impossible.

If you are over the age of x then by all means go out if you want to, but you accept the risk that comes with it.

Not even remotely ‘easy’ People in vulnerable groups have been shielding since March, if not earlier ffs, it didn’t work then, and it’s unlikely to work this winter with thinking like yours.

Given the alternative is shut the country down or restrict business, job losses, business losses, home losses etc for large amounts of the population that will take years to recover from.

You know, its the biggest age group likely to die vs everyone else running the country. One has to win eventually because you can't balance them forever

So now it’s Us Vs Them? To me that is effectively a ‘fuck anyone who might be vulnerable’ attitude that is precisely how we’re going to end up with a far higher death toll. Not for me thanks.

 

[andipandi]

Systems set up to be able to connect anyone over a certain age to the world such as food and care

That happens in prison, doesn't it?

shielding at home.
Limited interaction with others during a pandemic.

At what age (regardless of their health) do you think people might need to be placed in a system where they have limited interaction and have to shield, are provided with food and care?