BBC Victoria Derbyshire show on ecigs

[Mark]

Well worth the watch


[video]https://youtu.be/lZsXhmvWqDQ[/video]

 

[Miss Pepper]

That was worth a watch. Good to see all four supporting vaping, the reporter seemed fairly open with the questions that were set for her to raise.

Thanks for posting it Mark

 

[cheersm8]

All good stuff Mark

My only reservations about the current wave of vaping news, both good and bad, is that it seems to be making the publicity of the real dangers of tobacco take a back seat.
Possible health risks from vaping are now MORE IMPORTANT than very real and existing health risks from smoking tobacco?
It's almost as if, after many many years of failing to get the message across to smokers, these health bodies have given up and turned all of their efforts, time and resources to vaping instead.

In the time that it took to watch the video 0.18 of a person died, in the UK from a smoking related disease

 

[Mark]

All good stuff @Mark

My only reservations about the current wave of vaping news, both good and bad, is that it seems to be making the publicity of the real dangers of tobacco take a back seat.
Possible health risks from vaping are now MORE IMPORTANT than very real and existing health risks from smoking tobacco?
It's almost as if, after many many years of failing to get the message across to smokers, these health bodies have given up and turned all of their efforts, time and resources to vaping instead.

I think they think that the campaign against smoking (short of an unworkable straight ban) is/has worked. Its a done deal. Smoking in public places. Done. Education on the harm it causes. Done. Piffling about on packaging and a ban on moking in cars in the pipeline. As a news item it doesn't have much traction these days. Smokers are the devil incarnate and the public has swallowed the notion that smokers are ill, stupid, antisocial pariahs deserving of villification and segregation.

Ecigs are 'news' and especially so as they gain in popularity, so its unsurprising that we see items on shows like this more often. When we do its often up to the pro ecig voices (which have sometimes been mising altogether it has to be said) to remind everyone about the deadly product the ecig is replacing instead of dwelling simply on the 'possible' health consequences of long term use of ecigs. You could argue that this show was 'unbalanced' as it had no rabid 'ANTZ' representative. But the questions put were the expected ones and dealt with well by the guests.

As for 'health bodies' it depends which ones bearing in mind so many are funded/supported/lobbied by Big Pharma, a big loser should ecigs continue to take their profits, but I would have thought Louise Ross is a shining example of someone in public health striving to assist smokers to quit AND seeing ecigs as a useful tool for many in doing so.

 

[vaporsizer]

Dunno what to say really. This today but what tomorrow ? At least the positives get heard sometimes.

 

[scrumpox]

Made me smile.

 

[problem chimp]

Going on the figures in that clip, you have a 50% chance of dying due to smoking. Vapers have somewhere between 0% and 5% chance of dying due to vaping. That's a pretty snappy fact to give to the 'it's worse than smoking' crew.

Harm reduction should be all about these sort of percentages. I'm convinced that you could get nearly all smokers off the fags if you could set them up with the correct equipment that suits them. Current otc and prescription NRT gets something like 7% off the smokes.

There's a huge potential for this stuff to save lots of lives, but we seem to be reduced to arguing about cloud-blowers v discreet vapers and clones v originals.

I know I'm preaching to the converted here, but something has gone wrong somewhere.

Nice to see some positive coverage though.

 

[scrumpox]

Yes, shite, I'd forgotten all about the clone aspect of this ... when Jeremy Kyle going to cover it?

 

[vaporsizer]

There's a huge potential for this stuff to save lots of lives, but we seem to be reduced to arguing about cloud-blowers v discreet vapers and clones v originals.

I know I'm preaching to the converted here, but something has gone wrong somewhere.

Nice to see some positive coverage though.

I disagree. Views should be aired, not kept quiet. Where are all these arguments anyway ?

 

[problem chimp]

I disagree. Views should be aired, not kept quiet. Where are all these arguments anyway ?

Good for you!

I get the feeling you could start an argument in an empty room.

Toodles.