BBC1 Wales..E cigs coming up.

[stumpey]

banned our Government's cant ban pussy, for example look at the war on drugs all those lovely substances that I have enjoyed over the years.All bought freely from my local dealer no problem. So to think about banning vaping will just drive it underground but still be freely available, so instead of scoring a 1/4 of red I will just go and score some 74mg strength nicotine.

I would just like to say the above was in another lifetime ( Happy Days ) as I no longer have that avenue of enjoyment open to me more the pity maybe I would not be so f**king grumpy.

Bonus is I can still blow those lovely big clouds..... gasp!! could this also be a gateway to a bong and a bag of grass .... think about the children ........

 

[pogle]

just watched professor peter bradley from health wales or something on bbc,arrrgggghhhh too angry to type
how can they get away with this lying bullshit ?
deep breaths,deep breaths...

 

[Trungo]

Was being discussed on Jeremy vine (or shouty bloke as I prefer to call him)
What a load of crap that was

Sent with kind regards and salutations.

 

[mrmattlaw]

What a load of baaaaalocks.

Thank you.

 

[kuro]

Some dumbass welsh minister was going on about the "gateway to smoking" When are they going to realise that this argument doesnt stand up.

Who in their right mind would start vaping and then one day say......hey, Ive had a great idea. Ive had enough of vaping and want to start using something that will definately kill me and will cost me loads more money.

I rest my case

 

[Fleabag]

Firstly, there's a much stronger argument that vaping in public normalises smoking CESSATION - we have all had plenty of experiences of people approaching us saying they've been thinking of making the switch and asking about the products we use. The more vaping that happens in public, the more people are switching.

Secondly, if they think seeing vaping will prompt people to start smoking, why are they set on the idea of pushing us into the street where even more people (and a lot more children) can see us?

As far as I'm concerned, any legal ban must be strongly evidence-based, but all of this is based on speculation - and less logical speculation than the more positive take on it.

Of course, the bottom line is that governments are strongly influenced by WHO, which is largely funded by the very organisations that have most to lose if people give up smoking, particularly if they do so without the use of ineffective NRTs

 

[Blackhack]

@kuro

hey, Ive had a great idea. Ive had enough of vaping and want to start using something that will definately kill me and will cost me loads more money

You forgot..................And tastes like shit

 

[Fleabag]

Just having a little root through the Human Rights info - I wonder if vapers/potential vapers have a case through the "Right to Life" section.

This covers the duty to take 'appropriate steps' to protect life. One case study lost because the risk to health was 'not foreseeable' - but the risk to life by restricting freedom to vape can be foreseen. There's no evidence that vaping or passive vaping poses a risk, nor that vaping in any way encourages people to smoke (but strong anecdotal evidence of the opposite).
Restricting access to smoking alternatives increases the chances of vaping (I can resist a cigarette as long as I can vape freely and regularly - abstaining from vaping makes me more likely to satisfy a strong craving with tobacco).

Equally, driving vaping 'underground' slows the rate of conversions from smoking to vaping, as it's the visibility of it that promotes it to smokers.

Banning vaping could arguably make it harder for people to fully switch and prevent people from making the decision to switch in future, thus governments would be failing in their 'duty to prevent foreseeable loss of life'

If standing in the way of smoking cessation isn't failing to prevent foreseeable loss of life, I don't know what is

 

[Fleabag]

And then there's the Human Rights article re: the 'right to the peaceful enjoyment of one's possessions'

 

[vaporsizer]

Here is a copy of the email i have been sent today.

The Welsh Government is today publishing a Public Health White Paper to outline a series of proposals for legislation to further improve and protect health in Wales. This builds on the wide ranging and important debate started by our Public Health Green Paper in late 2012.


The ‘Listening to you: your health matters’ White Paper outlines a series of practical actions for addressing specific public health concerns. The proposals take a preventative approach and aim cumulatively to have a positive impact on health and wellbeing in Wales. The proposals also seek to complement the overarching legislative approach to be taken forward through the Welsh Government’s Future Generations Bill [working title], which will place good health at the centre of the Wales we want to create for the future.

The White Paper sets out a number of proposals for consultation, including;

• introducing a minimum unit price for alcohol, to reduce the health harms associated with alcohol misuse;

• restricting the use of e-cigarettes in enclosed public places, to support the enforcement of the smoking ban;

• establishing a tobacco retailers’ register, with tougher penalties for those that sell to under 18s;

• requiring local authorities to develop a strategy on toilets for public use; and

• introducing a national register of providers of cosmetic piercing, tattooing and other special procedures, to improve regulation and set specific standards.

The consultation provides a valuable opportunity to consider how these proposals could help us achieve our overall aspirations for the health and wellbeing of the population of Wales. We look forward to receiving responses from a broad range of stakeholders. We would be grateful if you would share this information with other colleagues in your organisations as appropriate.

The White Paper is available at: [url]http://wales.gov.uk/consultations/healthsocialcare/white-paper/?lang=en[/URL]
and the deadline for receiving responses is 24th June 2014.

The written statement is available at: [url]http://wales.gov.uk/about/cabinet/cabinetstatements/2014/publichealthwhitepaper/?lang=en[/URL]

Thanks and regards,

Public Health Development team
Welsh Government