Did u get this email from Crème de Vape

[oldhippydude]

I suspect we are not

and sadly I suspect all the lobbying, signature collecting, court challenges and sense of basic human rights and libertarianism in the world are not going to stop what's coming.

My suspicion is the decision was made months or years ago, and it's all just posturing to make it look fair now.

did you see the latest meetings have all been done in secret with the tobacco boys behind closed doors? Despite that apparently not being allowed under some WHO ruling.

we can't fight the EU it's an inherently corrupt organisation invested in protecting big business. We will never win until we get out - and even then we still have our government to battle, was anyone else surprised they are one of the parties challenging the TW case?

Despite their protestations they thought the TPD was badly implemented?

meh... I'm just a total bundle of happy tonight

For me the corruption will always be wherever the power is and it is not all in the EU or the UK government the big corporations and the owners of the wealth know how to keep it all to themselves.As things currently stand it is more important they corrupt the EU institutions but around the world they will corupt whoever they have to and England leaving the EU is unlikely to improve your lot you have organisations that can make threats about thousands of jobs v organizations that individually employ a handful. There is nothing I can say to lift your spirits, It depresses me thinking about it.
As a community we could probably support a few independent traders against the big boys but as a community we are as crap as the rest of society.
I am of to bed.On a brighter note some crazy American Christians say tomorrow is the end of the world.

 

[itssme]

You don't seem to comprehend that this isn't businesses having a go at customers.

no one is trying to pull you down.

we don't want to do it - we are being forced by law to implement these things - you think we want to spend X thousand implementing systems we don't want to implement, and then pay a fee to some middleman company each time someone new registers?

Of course we don't, we can lobby the government and tell them it's bullshit etc, but in the meantime what do you want us to do? Break the law to satisfy your sense of indignation at a ridiculous law, a law we even agree with you about.

face fines and prison to make sure you and a handful of like minded people can say "yeah that's how it's done!"

its a a lovely idea, but I'm no martyr and with my hair id be someone's bitch in seconds inside.[/QUOT


What I do have a problem is with your obeisance....You are here as "site Staff" without my knowing who the hell you areor your imput.....yet you are clearly a prime member of POTV and as such you would think...against abhorrent registration.

The fines are no more or less than serving alcohol to children! Yet I consider (AND THE LAW) appropriate for a glass of beer, cider or un-fortfied wine being served with his meal...............so at this point does the public house or restaurant have a right to search your personal credit profile and also effect that profile????? Course it bloody doesn't!

Want to buy a foot long fixed blade on Amazon or Ebay as a sub 18 year old....tough, and they dont fuck up your credit history.

Look............in the end...dont want to sell to me...good, shove it up your flue! Tell me how wonderful you are then go over the top to negate selling to me.....stuff it up your flue!

 

[jaimunki]

Then go the concentrate route zt... If tpd comes in, you'll probably have to go that route anyway to survive.
Proving my ID once In a blue moon to get a big bottle of Nic is less of a pita than weekly/mo nthly for some premixed. Saying that though, I fear nic won't be coming from within the UK soon

 

[alwayslit]

I know a place that doesn't have these BS rules

 

[ZT]

You don't seem to comprehend that this isn't businesses having a go at customers.

no one is trying to pull you down.

we don't want to do it - we are being forced by law to implement these things - you think we want to spend X thousand implementing systems we don't want to implement, and then pay a fee to some middleman company each time someone new registers?

Of course we don't, we can lobby the government and tell them it's bullshit etc, but in the meantime what do you want us to do? Break the law to satisfy your sense of indignation at a ridiculous law, a law we even agree with you about.

face fines and prison to make sure you and a handful of like minded people can say "yeah that's how it's done!"

its a a lovely idea, but I'm no martyr and with my hair id be someone's bitch in seconds inside.[/QUOT


What I do have a problem is with your obeisance....You are here as "site Staff" without my knowing who the hell you areor your imput.....yet you are clearly a prime member of POTV and as such you would think...against abhorrent registration.

The fines are no more or less than serving alcohol to children! Yet I consider (AND THE LAW) appropriate for a glass of beer, cider or un-fortfied wine being served with his meal...............so at this point does the public house or restaurant have a right to search your personal credit profile and also effect that profile????? Course it bloody doesn't!

Want to buy a foot long fixed blade on Amazon or Ebay as a sub 18 year old....tough, and they dont fuck up your credit history.

Look............in the end...dont want to sell to me...good, shove it up your flue! Tell me how wonderful you are then go over the top to negate selling to me.....stuff it up your flue!

I'm totally against abhorrent registration,I'm totally against the TPD and the ridiculous levels of bullshit it adds.

And of course I want to sell to you, I don't want to limit anyone (well, unless they are under 18....) ... It's not me or other vendors putting these restrictions in place (I think you are directing your anger at the wrong people, try further up the chain at government policy makers)

doesnt mean I'm going to risk a fine though


dude, I actually agree with your stance, if not your implementation of putting it across, or the fact you are blaming cloud nine for something that is largely out of their control.

my flue is fine by the way, we just had it checked.

i get the sense you are going to keep going on this, shouting etc regardless of what anyone says, even if they are agreeing with you - so feel free man - have at it.

 

[ZT]

Then go the concentrate route zt... If tpd comes in, you'll probably have to go that route anyway to survive.
Proving my ID once In a blue moon to get a big bottle of Nic is less of a pita than weekly/mo nthly for some premixed. Saying that though, I fear nic won't be coming from within the UK soon

It's one of the possible routes we can take come the time, we would need to look at it more and it's pheasabilty costs wise tho.

it is on the if absolutely nessasary list tho.

 

[Mawsley]

I deleted the fifteen emails they sent me. My life goes on. The world still gets bombarded by neutrinos.

63 billion of the bastards.

Per square cm.

Per second.

Fuck off you subatomic wankers, I say. We're full.

Oh, they have already. Thank fuck - now don't come back. Neutrino cunts.

 

[itssme]

I'm totally against abhorrent registration,I'm totally against the TPD and the ridiculous levels of bullshit it adds.

And of course I want to sell to you, I don't want to limit anyone (well, unless they are under 18....) ... It's not me or other vendors putting these restrictions in place (I think you are directing your anger at the wrong people, try further up the chain at government policy makers)

doesnt mean I'm going to risk a fine though


dude, I actually agree with your stance, if not your implementation of putting it across, or the fact you are blaming cloud nine for something that is largely out of their control.

my flue is fine by the way, we just had it checked.

i get the sense you are going to keep going on this, shouting etc regardless of what anyone says, even if they are agreeing with you - so feel free man - have at it.

I will, and I will also stand by my real name.....and not behind some false forum name, hiding my trading name (prob trading under a Ltd)....put who you really are up....not just "Site staff"..........that way we can see the direction from where the criticism or support comes!

 

[Mawsley]

...but what can we do ?

www.manabush.co.shenzen

 

[itssme]

I deleted the fifteen emails they sent me. My life goes on. The world still gets bombarded by neutrinos.

63 billion of the bastards.

Per square cm.

Per second.

Fuck off you subatomic wankers, I say. We're full.

Oh, they have already. Thank fuck - now don't come back. Neutrino cunts.

can I have some please?